Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.001 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'python.': 0.02; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'compiler': 0.07; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'whole,': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'jan': 0.12; 'systems.': 0.12; '2.7': 0.14; 'compiler.': 0.16; 'intel,': 0.16; 'presume': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'reedy': 0.16; 'url:gnu': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'code.': 0.18; 'do.': 0.18; 'split': 0.19; 'code,': 0.22; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; '2.x': 0.24; 'alternate': 0.24; 'simpler': 0.24; 'source': 0.25; 'updating': 0.26; 'supported': 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'header :In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'am,': 0.29; 'charged': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; 'code': 0.31; "skip:' 10": 0.31; '3.x': 0.31; 'gcc': 0.31; 'volunteers': 0.31; 'front': 0.32; 'stuff': 0.32; 'open': 0.33; 'beginning': 0.33; 'programmers': 0.33; 'standards': 0.33; 'but': 0.35; 'url:org': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'operating': 0.37; '2008': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'ability': 0.39; 'received:71': 0.39; 'sure': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'users': 0.40; 'according': 0.40; 'future': 0.60; 'consists': 0.60; 'free,': 0.61; 'such': 0.63; 'actually,': 0.84; 'forced': 0.84; 'ibm,': 0.84; 'received:fios.verizon.net': 0.84 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Terry Reedy Subject: Re: Python 3 is killing Python Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2014 14:42:54 -0400 References: <7xha49wumw.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com> <88649f2d-76c2-41af-a509-23486bd06dff@googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-71-175-90-87.phlapa.fios.verizon.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 In-Reply-To: <88649f2d-76c2-41af-a509-23486bd06dff@googlegroups.com> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 34 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1407350602 news.xs4all.nl 2840 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:60626 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:75809 On 8/6/2014 9:47 AM, beliavsky@aol.com.dmarc.invalid wrote: > Fortran compiler vendors such as Intel, IBM, Oracle/SUN and open *Vendors* sell compilers for money, which they can then use to *pay* people to do unfun stuff that volunteers don't want and should not have to do. Actually, I am beginning to think that 2.7 should be split off for 3.x development and charged for. > source projects such as gfortran are updating their compilers to the > Fortran 2003 and 2008 standards while also keeping the ability to > compile all the old Fortran code. FORTRAN 77 programmers and programs According to https://gcc.gnu.org/fortran/ , gfortran is a standard Fortran 95 compiler with legacy (F77) support where practical and 'significant' F2003 and F2008 support. Since it is free, one takes what one gets. In multiple ways, Gfortran, as a whole, is significantly simpler to develop than Python. It is an alternate front end to the gcc compiler (a very smart decision). The GNU projects distributes source code, which I presume consists of C code aimed at the GCC compiler. > will not be forced to move to modern Fortran, but I'm not sure that > Python 2.x users can be as confident that Python 2.x will be > supported on future operating systems. It will be for as long as 2.x users are willing to pay for support. -- Terry Jan Reedy