Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!usenet.pasdenom.info!aioe.org!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed5.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.000 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'bug': 0.02; 'guido': 0.04; 'arguments': 0.05; 'instance,': 0.05; 'behavior.': 0.07; 'raises': 0.07; 'terry': 0.07; '%s"': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229.12': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'received:lo.gmane.org': 0.09; 'subject:string': 0.09; 'tuple': 0.09; 'pm,': 0.11; 'def': 0.13; 'debugging': 0.14; 'wrote:': 0.14; 'reedy': 0.16; 'sees': 0.16; 'style,': 0.16; 'subject:formatting': 0.16; 'jan': 0.22; 'code': 0.22; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.22; '(and': 0.22; 'converted': 0.23; 'cases': 0.25; 'object': 0.27; 'function': 0.27; 'string': 0.29; 'problem': 0.29; 'it.': 0.31; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.32; 'bit': 0.33; 'sometimes': 0.33; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.34; 'there': 0.35; 'header:User- Agent:1': 0.35; 'received:org': 0.38; 'anything': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'header:Mime-Version:1': 0.39; 'header:Received:5': 0.40; 'design': 0.61; 'remember': 0.65; 'special': 0.66 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Terry Reedy Subject: Re: string formatting Date: Fri, 06 May 2011 16:54:17 -0400 References: <4dc3aaa0$0$4756$426a74cc@news.free.fr> <4dc3b54c$0$29991$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <4dc404b7$0$29991$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: rain.gmane.org User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.10 In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.94.164.166 X-Trace: 1304715268 news.xs4all.nl 81476 [::ffff:82.94.164.166]:57342 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.python:4867 On 5/6/2011 3:22 PM, harrismh777 wrote: > I don't really like the old style, not because there is anything wrong > with it, There is in that it special cases tuples. For instance, a message function like def emsg(x): print("The following object caused a proplem: %s" % x) raises "TypeError: not all arguments converted during string formatting" if x is a tuple with other than 1 member and extracts x[0] if there is just one. Neither is the desired behavior. That has been a problem (and sometimes a debugging puzzle) in real code One has to remember to write something like def emsg(x): if isinstance(x,tuple): x = (x,) print(The following object caused a proplem: %s" % x) Guido sees that his original design is a bit of a bug trap, which is one reason he wanted to replace it. -- Terry Jan Reedy