Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail From: Joel Goldstick Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Subject: Re: best text editor for programming Python on a Mac Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 20:26:36 -0400 Lines: 41 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de RiHnLHWKGTyLgGpW2ubY5wFHPydMkjwOPRgV6LQSwjig== Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.001 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:text': 0.04; 'subject:Python': 0.05; 'character,': 0.07; 'exit': 0.07; 'subject:editor': 0.07; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.09; 'before.': 0.09; 'cursor': 0.09; 'inserted': 0.09; 'insertion': 0.09; 'received:209.85.218': 0.10; 'url:blog': 0.10; 'acquired': 0.15; 'file,': 0.15; '2016': 0.16; 'adjacent': 0.16; 'doesn\xe2\x80\x99t': 0.16; 'inserting': 0.16; 'received:io': 0.16; 'received:psf.io': 0.16; 'sense:': 0.16; 'subject:Mac': 0.16; 'subject:programming': 0.16; 'there?': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'stick': 0.18; '>>>': 0.20; 'load': 0.20; 'all,': 0.20; 'windows': 0.20; 'cc:2**0': 0.20; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.20; 'machine': 0.21; 'commands,': 0.22; 'lawrence': 0.22; 'sat,': 0.23; 'header :In-Reply-To:1': 0.24; 'example': 0.26; 'linux': 0.26; 'chris': 0.26; 'point.': 0.27; 'separate': 0.27; 'message- id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.27; 'character.': 0.29; 'editors': 0.29; 'system,': 0.30; 'url:mailman': 0.30; 'another': 0.32; 'point': 0.33; 'source': 0.33; 'url:python': 0.33; 'michael': 0.33; 'lets': 0.33; 'open': 0.33; 'url:listinfo': 0.34; 'editor': 0.34; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'trouble': 0.35; 'text': 0.35; 'but': 0.36; 'there': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'received:209.85': 0.36; '(and': 0.36; 'mode': 0.36; 'pm,': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'two': 0.37; 'mac': 0.37; 'received:209': 0.38; 'anything': 0.38; 'why': 0.39; 'url:mail': 0.40; 'some': 0.40; 'your': 0.60; 'personally': 0.61; 'side': 0.62; 'back': 0.62; 'python-list': 0.66; 'url:info': 0.71; 'earth.': 0.84; 'positions:': 0.84; 'thing...': 0.84; 'to:none': 0.91; 'joel': 0.91; 'why?': 0.91; 'choice.': 0.93 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:cc :content-transfer-encoding; bh=z58F157iNepJzX8rxpru7aIOv/nR8btk86lLWQv9Y2Y=; b=T0FVAyRSHa/X1atZC/W+h3EeYo9e2xchuRqE0Q8TY248Wy2WV4fDl+aHRJvaa+UGmn MFuSwlD1n3EIfY1YmL3gMZRhjGc2E4yOH8DzfDuuXZqDYpBp2WZi0uBaLTx1mj+kPrmU pF4U2kJxvS+s1Vn5OShuFghPs48jDmmiOi0ajdeDb+/g/agcxtgdNcFMPrfbQi7EX40e 8Gb1Fs+G48h5592ghxqyYc33VyRsFQ1hGJJKYunriv/ABNABmwRLTEql5HoglpQy/4NK kx6o633Gw0OzE25yARvKZypGf5W1xeuxszb+MvVXGj+VyH007YBgwTMKtFLN8pjcdQml BGtg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=z58F157iNepJzX8rxpru7aIOv/nR8btk86lLWQv9Y2Y=; b=WOhq1kZkmvrWx0EfaetJTsxXnNAoX/TDm0UgjB+bskKVrWHt5zHX1Ep5a988+TLOgQ S09hDmSI3BkFHGA50A8Fby6oWM56rX//atcd1C2g+CyvF28UyhNQlTVC+ssIRfxu2Oc4 ojX0Hf/Bkxmk64THQL85PSRnjkmh/IjFRXhrtqU6kNEfCAqqhr67zcPIpVDpb4Ktq6FR 1nhAWLHSMVztUtf4Ev9EQx/V9ZW2bcsUR4d8Xd21NfneLOZZ5Yg+4YiTsHxUma4wqEUW PQ6HFxzELB7qJKXMI8nqWbNlUdyBFTtNPIpuGkD0ymGkOuGdaM6k760D9BSmQ+DwtTUU kp/g== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tLxouWTyfakg4SpQ3gO0yTJk4+P3QVl6er5VkMmbjn6E/WD43a4byM5d3IVH9ux1WbWWUA9a+V7VHtHFA== X-Received: by 10.157.44.145 with SMTP id p17mr5096975otb.184.1466295996984; Sat, 18 Jun 2016 17:26:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Mailman-Original-Message-ID: X-Mailman-Original-References: Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:110121 On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 8:12 PM, Lawrence D=E2=80=99Oliveiro wrote: > On Sunday, June 19, 2016 at 11:07:23 AM UTC+12, Michael Torrie wrote: >> >> On 06/17/2016 05:52 PM, Chris via Python-list wrote: >>> >>> Any suggestions for a good open source text editor for the Mac out >>> there? For now, I am going to stick with vim. >> >> Good choice. > > The trouble with vim/vi/whatever, is that it doesn=E2=80=99t work like an= y other editor on Earth. > > Pull up any old GUI-based editor you like, for example Windows (shudder) = Notepad. If there are N characters in your file, then the insertion point c= an be placed at N + 1 positions: in-between two adjacent characters, or bef= ore the first character, or after the last character. And this makes sense:= anything you type is inserted at the insertion point. All rational text ed= itors (and word processors) work this way. > > But not vi/vim. It only lets you place your cursor *on* a character, not = *in-between* characters. That=E2=80=99s why you need two separate insertion= commands, insert-before and insert-after. And one of those has the interes= ting side effect where, if you exit insertion mode without inserting anythi= ng, it doesn=E2=80=99t put you back in the same position as before. Why? > > As to why you need insertion commands at all, that=E2=80=99s another thin= g... > -- > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list I personally love vim. But its clearly an acquired taste. When you get good at it its pretty amazing -- and no mouse. The other thing about vim is that it is on every linux system, so you don't have to load your editor if you are ssh-ing to some machine --=20 Joel Goldstick http://joelgoldstick.com/blog http://cc-baseballstats.info/stats/birthdays