Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!news.mixmin.net!aioe.org!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.000 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'explicitly': 0.05; 'processing.': 0.07; 'attributes': 0.09; 'mind,': 0.09; 'objects,': 0.09; 'oh,': 0.09; 'subject:skip:a 10': 0.09; 'way:': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'def': 0.12; '__slots__': 0.16; 'foo(object):': 0.16; 'for,': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'roy': 0.16; 'self.y': 0.16; 'subject:object': 0.16; 'subject:simple': 0.16; 'subject:type': 0.16; 'surprising': 0.16; 'throw': 0.16; 'user-defined': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'slightly': 0.19; 'aug': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; "aren't": 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; "i've": 0.25; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; "doesn't": 0.30; 'said,': 0.30; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'that.': 0.31; 'disable': 0.31; 'class': 0.32; 'skip:_ 10': 0.34; 'agree': 0.35; 'except': 0.35; 'case,': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'two': 0.37; 'pm,': 0.38; 'ability': 0.39; 'pick': 0.64; 'telling': 0.64; 'smith': 0.68; 'subjectcharset:utf-8': 0.72; 'alternative.': 0.84; 'to:none': 0.92; 'imagine': 0.93 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=eE/hQ192rnOK9xAzJoEwHn9kdupawsKWCtEI3xj85zY=; b=LDBVj43Pav36dhMH/luFYKhTh9dQNhiMnfu6ZVrnEDQ6o7yEH8t3gHzcT0719Sa+oa arINio0+TrcYl9CRuTBW7fbEyW+FgZWrz/MMef2pHCJ9OMbrapzbMtP+4uNXJf2sBUTQ eGWROiC7xmyM3fnlCllnp5lfGffh0UpsLl9bHVlQg2dgPuYqqZ9ScnAHf6Ry8I4g5PB5 6shiVIpVEFSvLhu1+y/tRujGjVLwGwtu5Z/CMny35xs1A4N7c7yCxa4v39zTWolgg4/+ p7CdyJqGMNkEUKeADYdJ/XQVID7KAfC+KtD9/gUlLxcARGtw5jS0+8RCEyq8j1E3AUMR g4XQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.138.195 with SMTP id qs3mr27061419igb.14.1407072918548; Sun, 03 Aug 2014 06:35:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <7ef67ccc-3fc3-47dd-b858-09ef3b57a497@googlegroups.com> <87r40zmkhr.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <53dd0717$0$29973$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <857g2qd5oc.fsf_-_@benfinney.id.au> Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2014 23:35:18 +1000 Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re=3A_Correct_type_for_a_simple_=E2=80=9Cbag_of_attributes?= =?UTF-8?Q?=E2=80=9D_namespace_object?= From: Chris Angelico Cc: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1407072928 news.xs4all.nl 2969 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:60089 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:75596 On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 11:25 PM, Roy Smith wrote: > in which case, I've said, "make Foos just like objects, except for, oh, > never mind, there aren't any differences". But, in reality, the system > bolted on the ability to have user-defined attributes without telling > me. I don't think it's unreasonable to be surprised at that. I agree that this is slightly surprising. However, imagine if it were the other way: class Foo(object): x = 1 def __init__(self): self.y = 2 These would throw errors, unless you explicitly disable __slots__ processing. When there's two ways to do things and both would be surprising, you pick the one that's going to be less of a surprise, or surprising less often, and accept it. That doesn't mean it's not a problem, but it's better than the alternative. ChrisA