Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!news.mixmin.net!rt.uk.eu.org!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.004 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'python,': 0.02; 'scripts': 0.03; 'beginner': 0.05; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'cc:addr:python- list': 0.11; 'language,': 0.12; 'changes': 0.15; '"from': 0.16; '__future__': 0.16; 'builtins': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'imports': 0.16; 'subject:object': 0.16; 'subject:simple': 0.16; 'subject:type': 0.16; 'sat,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; '>>>': 0.22; 'programming': 0.22; 'import': 0.22; 'aug': 0.22; 'putting': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'certain': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'chris': 0.29; 'am,': 0.29; "doesn't": 0.30; '(like': 0.30; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; '(which': 0.31; 'lines': 0.31; 'probably': 0.32; 'core': 0.34; 'requirement': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'too': 0.37; 'pm,': 0.38; 'subject:" ': 0.39; 'customized': 0.61; 'new': 0.61; "you're": 0.61; 'name': 0.63; 'high': 0.63; 'teaching': 0.64; 'approved': 0.65; 'teach': 0.65; 'sound': 0.68; 'fantastic': 0.74; 'subject:For': 0.78; 'subject:Make': 0.91; 'to:none': 0.92 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=iv5QeTgs0c31FEdJ8U8UKR34nS7Y1WCOPshTkuKN9bU=; b=PUAmydcDXA2ohaVH1Lo3U6S1QqsLRgli/jNGvMqhNTRlLcawtU7LCik5z9gokyBxBw JasnjFsQLNmuH3J1+4aYQ2jdp3JgwKQ5PAVO4XLPXKopkGX5E9SWT2chOsqR3rBKj5DK 6UJjm4pbxGR0fhcfiJ/UWGtAiQXSFC6rGauJWzPU6gfPLBER+YJCxgIixljxpEtpOe8A mxoPSrB9aejeA1Ee7cfQwdx1NuadXsrNEbKjJH6XwUqw5tfAjuqFbJTLy/t2dUAOjGBZ B4nIk50BTiG1QRf0yUb4bAl/WD1bl59s/jinW38dfMJjxp1o3wFhQPg3XkjkbLQA50lG v9Pg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.30.72 with SMTP id q8mr21969724igh.14.1407022038334; Sat, 02 Aug 2014 16:27:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <7ef67ccc-3fc3-47dd-b858-09ef3b57a497@googlegroups.com> <87r40zmkhr.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <53dd0717$0$29973$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <70e5f2f1-661f-40f2-bb7a-76e569c4d092@googlegroups.com> Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2014 09:27:18 +1000 Subject: Re: Correct type for a simple "bag of attributes" namespace object (was: 3 Suggestions to Make Python Easier For Children) From: Chris Angelico Cc: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1407022046 news.xs4all.nl 2885 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:48203 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:75564 On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 9:18 AM, Devin Jeanpierre wrote: > On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 2:05 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: >> On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 6:46 AM, Mark Summerfield wrote: >>> Naturally, I understand that adding a new name is a big deal and may be too much to ask for beginners. >> >> This is where you might want to consider putting some imports into >> site.py. That way, you can set up your own customized Python, without >> waiting for changes to be approved for core (which they probably won't >> - new builtins have a high requirement for necessity, not just "I >> don't want to have to type import"). > > Teaching a beginner a new programming language, but pretending it's > Python, doesn't sound like a fantastic idea. It would still be Python, you just teach that certain lines just always go at the top of your scripts (like "from __future__ import print_function" if you're on Py2). ChrisA