Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.006 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'modified': 0.07; 'turtle': 0.07; 'accepted,': 0.09; 'happens.': 0.09; 'lawrence': 0.09; 'mask': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'bug': 0.12; 'jan': 0.12; 'suggest': 0.14; '"from': 0.16; 'agree.': 0.16; 'behavior,': 0.16; 'clarified': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'reedy': 0.16; 'worst': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'discussion': 0.18; 'examples': 0.20; 'fit': 0.20; '>>>': 0.22; 'import': 0.22; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'directory.': 0.24; 'instead.': 0.24; "haven't": 0.24; 'tracker': 0.26; 'gets': 0.27; 'header:X -Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'idea': 0.28; 'url:bugs': 0.29; 'am,': 0.29; 'patch': 0.29; 'raise': 0.29; "i'm": 0.30; 'doc': 0.31; "user's": 0.31; 'probably': 0.32; 'url:python': 0.33; 'bugs': 0.33; 'entirely': 0.33; 'implemented': 0.33; 'advice': 0.35; 'something': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'idle': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'too': 0.37; 'needed': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'received:71': 0.39; 'sure': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'august': 0.61; 'skip:t 30': 0.61; 'making': 0.63; 'happen': 0.63; 'more': 0.64; 'here': 0.66; 'home': 0.69; 'legal': 0.71; 'goal': 0.75; 'subject:For': 0.78; '#1:': 0.84; '#2:': 0.84; 'done:': 0.84; 'examples.': 0.84; 'received:fios.verizon.net': 0.84; 'lazy': 0.91; 'subject:Make': 0.91; 'responses': 0.93; 'enhancement': 0.95 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Terry Reedy Subject: Re: 3 Suggestions to Make Python Easier For Children Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2014 19:14:46 -0400 References: <7ef67ccc-3fc3-47dd-b858-09ef3b57a497@googlegroups.com> <97480d7d-a078-45a8-a4a9-2652b68d7c80@googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-71-175-90-87.phlapa.fios.verizon.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 In-Reply-To: <97480d7d-a078-45a8-a4a9-2652b68d7c80@googlegroups.com> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 40 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1407021606 news.xs4all.nl 2931 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:44293 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:75563 On 8/2/2014 4:03 AM, Mark Summerfield wrote: > On Saturday, 2 August 2014 08:46:04 UTC+1, Mark Lawrence wrote: >> On 02/08/2014 07:45, Mark Summerfield wrote: Summarizing my responses on the tracker... >>> Suggestion #1: Make IDLE start in the user's home directory. >> >> Entirely agree. Please raise an enhancement request on the bug tracker >> if there isn't already one. > > Done: http://bugs.python.org/issue22121 As modified to fit existing behavior, this is a good idea and something will probably happen eventually. >>> Suggestion #2: Make all the turtle examples begin "from turtle import *" so no leading turtle. is needed in the examples. >> >> I'm not so sure about this, but raise an enhancement request and see >> what happens. Worst case it gets rejected, best case it gets accepted, >> implemented and patch applied. > > Done: http://bugs.python.org/issue22122 I suggest that the existing doc should be clarified instead. >>> Suggestion #3: Make object(key=value, ...) legal and equiv of types.SimpleNamespace(key=value, ...). >> >> Haven't the faintest idea and too lazy to find out :) I suggest follow >> advice from #2. > > Done: http://bugs.python.org/issue22123 This idea would mask bugs and is not necessary for the goal of making types.SimpleNamespace more accessible. It should have had more discussion here or on python-ideas. -- Terry Jan Reedy