Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!news.mixmin.net!rt.uk.eu.org!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.015 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.97; '*S*': 0.00; 'python,': 0.02; 'beginner': 0.05; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'language,': 0.12; 'changes': 0.15; 'builtins': 0.16; 'imports': 0.16; 'subject:object': 0.16; 'subject:simple': 0.16; 'subject:type': 0.16; 'sat,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'programming': 0.22; 'aug': 0.22; 'putting': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'chris': 0.29; 'am,': 0.29; "doesn't": 0.30; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; '(which': 0.31; 'probably': 0.32; 'core': 0.34; 'requirement': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'too': 0.37; 'pm,': 0.38; 'subject:" ': 0.39; 'customized': 0.61; 'new': 0.61; 'name': 0.63; 'high': 0.63; 'teaching': 0.64; 'approved': 0.65; 'to:addr:gmail.com': 0.65; 'sound': 0.68; 'fantastic': 0.74; 'subject:For': 0.78; 'subject:Make': 0.91 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=c3Udkgm/c2xomTbaSUp1YrekhuSgvt2ichgkmYV17pU=; b=enPXkEqVPPpZDtM+zvAnI6GdWeOr8Mkz4R+lPGTGPfwhXDwi2VpZM1VmTScJgQ4R8P 1u6cjxZJu45stXbddYySK3eKd9lEjwJyBYU6xkn9LM0hPKPFrHVUkKE0p9AyeUX8i2XL ExQTrZjiNIcAEd3nr4X+wRNiiG9oR7JNjOPGbHTYTm61pZcR9/B6WBMa313Sg5IUWt4q jxpvolI/SU/VK5RWdMdWT4oq3HuY/d2RW80PhVwdf9xLdUGuxy5v9wkak1HUoy+gaPgq DYY9svXJQZPeSq9TvCa4qYfIzThHg0FXDQWtxSI5fvdmCwhhlLPKVMgiabHPMiR6JEze MTVw== X-Received: by 10.140.24.140 with SMTP id 12mr21600641qgr.11.1407021527370; Sat, 02 Aug 2014 16:18:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <7ef67ccc-3fc3-47dd-b858-09ef3b57a497@googlegroups.com> <87r40zmkhr.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <53dd0717$0$29973$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <70e5f2f1-661f-40f2-bb7a-76e569c4d092@googlegroups.com> From: Devin Jeanpierre Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2014 16:18:07 -0700 Subject: Re: Correct type for a simple "bag of attributes" namespace object (was: 3 Suggestions to Make Python Easier For Children) To: Chris Angelico Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: "python-list@python.org" X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1407021535 news.xs4all.nl 2895 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:42878 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:75562 On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 2:05 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 6:46 AM, Mark Summerfield wrote: >> Naturally, I understand that adding a new name is a big deal and may be too much to ask for beginners. > > This is where you might want to consider putting some imports into > site.py. That way, you can set up your own customized Python, without > waiting for changes to be approved for core (which they probably won't > - new builtins have a high requirement for necessity, not just "I > don't want to have to type import"). Teaching a beginner a new programming language, but pretending it's Python, doesn't sound like a fantastic idea. -- Devin