Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!gegeweb.org!dedibox.gegeweb.org!gegeweb.eu!nntpfeed.proxad.net!proxad.net!feeder1-2.proxad.net!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.002 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'mrab': 0.05; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'mouse': 0.07; 'subject: [': 0.09; 'window.': 0.09; 'windows,': 0.09; 'either;': 0.16; 'from:addr:mrabarnett.plus.com': 0.16; 'from:addr:python': 0.16; 'from:name:mrab': 0.16; 'message-id:@mrabarnett.plus.com': 0.16; 'received:192.168.1.4': 0.16; 'received:84.93': 0.16; 'received:84.93.230': 0.16; 'separated': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'app': 0.19; 'seems': 0.21; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'mention': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'easier': 0.31; 'once,': 0.31; 'running': 0.33; 'received:84': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'interact': 0.36; "didn't": 0.36; 'possible': 0.36; 'subject:]': 0.38; 'window': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'space': 0.40; 'matter': 0.61; 'advantages': 0.68; 'all!': 0.84; 'top.': 0.84 X-CM-Score: 0.00 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=B4s30YdM c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=0nF1XD0wxitMEM03M9B4ZQ==:117 a=0nF1XD0wxitMEM03M9B4ZQ==:17 a=0Bzu9jTXAAAA:8 a=u9EReRu7m0cA:10 a=rVss4ZGv368A:10 a=GiCmvIuDCe4A:10 a=ihvODaAuJD4A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=EBOSESyhAAAA:8 a=6VYh5d_v0LNgtNyOvDMA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 X-AUTH: mrabarnett:2500 Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2014 14:55:17 +0100 From: MRAB User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] References: <87zjga4j4v.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <53c57bae$0$9505$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <87iomy4ciy.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <53c5f6dc$0$9505$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <87egxl4zq8.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <53c73ff0$0$29897$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <9ef930a0-5a41-4a20-a13a-003c9e8246fe@googlegroups.com> <53c9655a$0$9505$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <368c1e4f-9328-445b-9876-9f26560a50c2@googlegroups.com> <53ca1e27$0$9505$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <20140801131035.f672ac56af3aa4eda5d36dcd@gmx.net> <53DBCB7B.80704@schwertberger.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1406987723 news.xs4all.nl 2907 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:33114 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:75534 On 2014-08-02 01:00, Gregory Ewing wrote: > MRAB wrote: [snip] >> And don't mention the menu bar across the top, separated from the >> window to which it belonged. > > That seems to be a matter of taste. There are some advantages to the > menu-bar-at-top model. It's an easier target to hit, because you can > just flick the mouse up to the top. It only takes up space once, > instead of once per window. It makes it possible for an app to be > running without having any windows, and still be able to interact > with it. > RISC OS didn't have a menu bar at the top of each window either; its menus were all pop-up. You didn't have to keep flicking the mouse at all!