Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!news.mixmin.net!rt.uk.eu.org!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.002 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'explicitly': 0.05; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'app,': 0.09; 'dependency': 0.09; 'skip:/ 10': 0.09; 'subject: [': 0.09; 'windows,': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python- list': 0.11; '(either': 0.16; 'complaining': 0.16; 'did,': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'locations.': 0.16; 'macosx': 0.16; 'skip:~ 20': 0.16; 'system- wide': 0.16; 'sat,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'library': 0.18; 'app': 0.19; 'basically': 0.19; 'split': 0.19; 'aug': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'install': 0.23; 'directory.': 0.24; 'fine': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'gets': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply- To:1': 0.27; 'installed': 0.27; 'chris': 0.29; 'am,': 0.29; "doesn't": 0.30; 'cool': 0.30; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; '(perhaps': 0.31; 'obscure': 0.31; 'option.': 0.31; 'option': 0.32; 'linux': 0.33; 'third': 0.33; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'application': 0.37; 'so,': 0.37; 'subject:]': 0.38; 'files': 0.38; 'called': 0.40; "you're": 0.61; 'skip:n 10': 0.64; 'kept': 0.65; 'between': 0.67; 'user,': 0.69; 'choices.': 0.84; 'installer': 0.84; 'demand': 0.91; 'to:none': 0.92; 'relating': 0.93 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=PayPikFE8gEnodjg9NJdopR/jVkRXTAMpx5fl6s20Pc=; b=LTGxpIYefJXkxSEa3/kPnnEWdMxb0YpVdEUULxM8HanN6iNiVmtatD+SBEinFktrhK ShKUfnOOaC8IYnWVdk56mT8iGyULB07kTo4vyrriPXlGKSga87duG3Oqji8TerfaAq5B WxRv5sYdBi5RB4kWWADWbLtOrCgEyeCeQMe7ZW56R5rNP6uf5mpyttfgf2XkeDS1CQnY KS+d7OAeAbOPgSuN+PzjLFbuyIPH6auvu13b51AJxldmOiUBEEAlX0nz8l7p//SsXQ/3 LFHyhhsfs12b4uLO96BLB880+5Ub8Sb2GV4yJeuF9mZGC56yi2zxSLJB32wkthdT4got Wt7A== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.80.76 with SMTP id p12mr13003713igx.34.1406937013241; Fri, 01 Aug 2014 16:50:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <53c57bae$0$9505$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <87iomy4ciy.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <53c5f6dc$0$9505$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <87egxl4zq8.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <53c73ff0$0$29897$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <9ef930a0-5a41-4a20-a13a-003c9e8246fe@googlegroups.com> <53c9655a$0$9505$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <368c1e4f-9328-445b-9876-9f26560a50c2@googlegroups.com> <53ca1e27$0$9505$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <20140801131035.f672ac56af3aa4eda5d36dcd@gmx.net> Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2014 09:50:13 +1000 Subject: Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] From: Chris Angelico Cc: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 33 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1406937015 news.xs4all.nl 2835 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:51316 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:75506 On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 9:14 AM, Gregory Ewing wrote: > Chris Angelico wrote: >> >> The installer has basically three choices. >> 1) Install libnettle inside the application directory >> 2) Install libnettle to some system library directory >> 3) Don't install libnettle, and demand that someone else (perhaps the >> user, or the system package manager) install it. >> >> Option 2 is exactly what you're complaining about, >> scattering files all over the FS. > > > Not really. On MacOSX, if you installed a shared library > called libnettle, *all* the files relating to it > would be kept in one directory called Nettle.framework > (either in /Library/Frameworks or ~/Library/Frameworks > depending on whether it's system-wide or for a single user). > > MacOSX doesn't currently have an automatic dependency > manager, but if it did, things would still be a lot neater > and tidier than they are in Linux or Windows, where what > is conceptually a single object (a package) gets split up > and its parts scattered around several obscure locations. That's fine if I explicitly install libnettle - that's the third option. What happens if I install Foo's Cool Chat App, and FCCA uses libnettle to encrypt conversations? Is FCCA allowed to install libnettle into /Library/Frameworks? If so, its files will be split between there and its own app directory. ChrisA