Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.037 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.93; '*S*': 0.00; 'interfaces': 0.04; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'mouse': 0.07; 'buttons': 0.09; 'replication': 0.09; 'subject: [': 0.09; 'usability,': 0.09; 'windows': 0.15; 'bars': 0.16; 'grouped': 0.16; 'icon': 0.16; 'files.': 0.16; 'fix': 0.17; 'later': 0.20; 'manual': 0.22; 'separate': 0.22; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'logical': 0.24; 'right.': 0.26; 'task': 0.26; 'supported': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply- To:1': 0.27; 'tried': 0.27; "doesn't": 0.30; 'besides': 0.30; 'usually': 0.31; 'font': 0.31; 'loading': 0.31; 'file': 0.32; 'probably': 0.32; 'running': 0.33; 'entirely': 0.33; 'programmers': 0.33; 'display': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'application': 0.37; 'operating': 0.37; 'e.g.': 0.38; 'subject:]': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'easy': 0.60; 'complete': 0.62; 'name': 0.63; 'real': 0.63; 'such': 0.63; 'finally': 0.65; 'between': 0.67; 'advantages': 0.68; 'default': 0.69; 'saving': 0.69; 'transfer': 0.82; '(still': 0.84; '*and*': 0.84; 'received:192.168.0.5': 0.84; 'whereas': 0.91; 'shares': 0.93 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 19:16:43 +0200 From: Dietmar Schwertberger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] References: <87zjga4j4v.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <53c57bae$0$9505$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <87iomy4ciy.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <53c5f6dc$0$9505$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <87egxl4zq8.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <53c73ff0$0$29897$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <9ef930a0-5a41-4a20-a13a-003c9e8246fe@googlegroups.com> <53c9655a$0$9505$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <368c1e4f-9328-445b-9876-9f26560a50c2@googlegroups.com> <53ca1e27$0$9505$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <20140801131035.f672ac56af3aa4eda5d36dcd@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <20140801131035.f672ac56af3aa4eda5d36dcd@gmx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 41 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1406913421 news.xs4all.nl 2880 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:53895 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:75495 Am 01.08.2014 13:10, schrieb Wolfgang Keller: > Because on such operating systems, each and every application is an > entirely self-contained package that doesn't need any "packages" or > "installers" to use it. For people who have never used such a system it's probably difficult to see the advantages. Besides the easy installation, backup and replication of software the RISC OS way also had the advantage that you were able to organize your applications in folders just like other folders and files. There was no need for separate File and Program managers. MS never got this right. Instead, they tried to fix things later with the start menu and finally the box to type the software name to start it ... One effect was that under DOS/Windows people usually saved their documents in folders per application whereas under RISC OS they were usually grouped by content/project. When it came to usability, RISC OS had many advantages over the other systems, e.g. - real drag'n'drop for loading *and* saving of files/selections - drag'n'drop also for transfer between applications - a standard vector graphics format that all applications supported (and for which an application was provided by default with the OS) - good font display (still better than e.g. MS Windows today) - three mouse buttons for select/menu/adjust - no menu bars - the icon bar for running applications, drives, shares and other resources - consistent, orthogonal & logical user interfaces instead of assistants and wizards for each and every task - complete programmers reference manual Regards, Dietmar