Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!goblin1!goblin2!goblin.stu.neva.ru!newsfeed1.swip.net!uio.no!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.012 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.98; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'dependency': 0.09; 'subject: [': 0.09; 'yeah,': 0.09; 'cc:addr :python-list': 0.11; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'macos': 0.16; 'reinvent': 0.16; 'thankfully,': 0.16; 'thought.': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'aug': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply- To:1': 0.27; "doesn't": 0.30; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'probably': 0.32; 'everyone': 0.33; 'entirely': 0.33; 'fri,': 0.33; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'application': 0.37; 'operating': 0.37; 'subject:]': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'users': 0.40; 'skip:u 10': 0.60; 'worry': 0.60; 'such': 0.63; 'wheel': 0.84; 'to:none': 0.92 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=mOk5VrLyHMKGaituc1QehWw4KDPuyIemd38Lxq5FHp0=; b=qArptQdNitBGnRfn+a2HZa75vTdOHSfK9q3hIc0n1iSf6QcTqMQ/W54vAf5Z7ZqG78 3JYMDf5F9tmkW6GdqrA9163/DL1CGSH+yF2UxDQH2M6EDoFDaE5zyffSrFnvu/5iYhpX vCobr9bD1hUhA3v68IR11U/ZlQDPSDY/SAJzj718t2Rsiv6ZLy97thF5+yqqU2+FwshH WjNvB13b1l6Tkqei0vFysfzeNoZGe3Z3UrcJg7JDpvyRmW0tF13bx/NNSJBmZRubFW1h GTkbiuukRCoCKhY/ickiyWU8RIHvjSPjIvJ7yb/QK91wfRpU7h5rD2+H0lrGVTxt2gnf sf6w== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.43.96.65 with SMTP id cf1mr6133865icc.26.1406892153537; Fri, 01 Aug 2014 04:22:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20140801131035.f672ac56af3aa4eda5d36dcd@gmx.net> References: <87zjga4j4v.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <53c57bae$0$9505$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <87iomy4ciy.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <53c5f6dc$0$9505$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <87egxl4zq8.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <53c73ff0$0$29897$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <9ef930a0-5a41-4a20-a13a-003c9e8246fe@googlegroups.com> <53c9655a$0$9505$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <368c1e4f-9328-445b-9876-9f26560a50c2@googlegroups.com> <53ca1e27$0$9505$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <20140801131035.f672ac56af3aa4eda5d36dcd@gmx.net> Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 21:22:33 +1000 Subject: Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] From: Chris Angelico Cc: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1406892155 news.xs4all.nl 2855 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:52448 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:75463 On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 9:10 PM, Wolfgang Keller wrote: > Thankfully, all actually user-friendly operating systems (MacOS, > TOS, RiscOS, probably AmigaOS, MacOS X) spare(d) their users the > bottomless cesspit of "package management" and/or "installers". > > Because on such operating systems, each and every application is an > entirely self-contained package that doesn't need any "packages" or > "installers" to use it. You mean everyone has to reinvent the proverbial wheel AND worry about dependency collisions? Yeah, that's a heavenly thought. ChrisA