Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!news.mixmin.net!rt.uk.eu.org!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.033 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.93; '*S*': 0.00; 'essentially': 0.04; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'front-end': 0.07; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'required,': 0.09; 'gui': 0.12; 'csv': 0.16; 'embodied': 0.16; 'formula': 0.16; 'help...': 0.16; 'ignoring': 0.16; 'message-id:@4ax.com': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'script,': 0.16; 'sat,': 0.16; 'manual': 0.22; 'rules': 0.22; 'creating': 0.23; "aren't": 0.24; 'builder': 0.24; 'url:home': 0.24; '(or': 0.24; "i've": 0.25; 'excel': 0.26; 'header:X -Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'chris': 0.29; "doesn't": 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; '(which': 0.31; 'bunch': 0.31; 'stuff': 0.32; 'weeks': 0.32; 'running': 0.33; 'maybe': 0.34; 'but': 0.35; 'version': 0.36; 'done': 0.36; 'charset:us-ascii': 0.36; 'subject:?': 0.36; 'half': 0.37; 'being': 0.38; 'star': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'skip:p 20': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'users': 0.40; 'how': 0.40; 'easy': 0.60; 'office': 0.60; 'full': 0.61; 'simple': 0.61; 'times': 0.62; 'more': 0.64; 'phone': 0.66; 'world': 0.66; 'jobs': 0.68; 'home': 0.69; 'miss': 0.74; 'export': 0.74; 'jul': 0.74; 'attractive': 0.81; 'cards,': 0.84; 'excel,': 0.84; 'jet': 0.84; 'spreadsheet': 0.84; 'received:108': 0.93; 'sheet': 0.93; '2013': 0.98 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Dennis Lee Bieber Subject: Re: .Net Like Gui Builder for Python? Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2014 14:40:56 -0400 Organization: IISS Elusive Unicorn References: <53D2CAD8.1040306@schwertberger.de> <757bd14c-3742-4674-b305-b0cfe5a58b90@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl-108-73-119-29.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 6.00/32.1186 X-No-Archive: YES X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 35 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1406400063 news.xs4all.nl 2837 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:53369 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:75252 On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 19:05:21 +1000, Chris Angelico declaimed the following: >IMO it's an attractive nuisance at best. Make it easy to build >something simple and flawed, and people will build things that aren't >simple but are still flawed. Microsoft has done this to the world a >few times - how many people do you know who use Excel for jobs that >would be better served by a database? (Or by a script, even; CSV >import into one sheet, manual fixups as required, then CSV export from >another sheet that has a bunch of formula cells. I've seen that done.) The way they package Office doesn't help... Ignoring the subscription-based "Office 365" I was at Best Buy a few weeks ago... The only local-install version of Office (Home&Office I think) had Word, Excel, and PowerPoint. How many /home/ users are creating presentations/slide-shows? Drop PowerPoint and include Access (which is essentially a GUI builder front-end for the Jet RDBM engine) and Publisher (seems a home user would do more with invitations, cards, and maybe reports/brochures)! I remember when the forte of spreadsheets was in number crunching of tabular data -- formulas -- (I used to have the Traveller star ship design rules embodied in a Multiplan spreadsheet running on TRSDOS-6); not this "static phone book using to lookup" type stuff so many people do now. I'm going to miss being employed for one reason (well, health insurance though so far this year I've only used about half my deductible, would be another). The M$ Home Use program; which made the full Office Suite 2013 available for around $30 (with DVD). -- Wulfraed Dennis Lee Bieber AF6VN wlfraed@ix.netcom.com HTTP://wlfraed.home.netcom.com/