Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.016 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.97; '*S*': 0.00; 'programmer': 0.03; 'newbie': 0.05; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'coding,': 0.09; 'sure,': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; "wouldn't": 0.14; '>>': 0.16; 'enough.': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'creating': 0.23; "aren't": 0.24; 'software.': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'cc:no real name:2**0': 0.24; '>': 0.26; 'gets': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'chris': 0.29; 'message- id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'easier': 0.31; 'software,': 0.31; '(unless': 0.31; 'stuff': 0.32; 'something': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'done': 0.36; 'subject:?': 0.36; 'skip:& 10': 0.38; 'how': 0.40; 'easy': 0.60; 'problems.': 0.60; 'solve': 0.60; 'most': 0.60; 'simple': 0.61; 'making': 0.63; 'world': 0.66; 'jul': 0.74; 'programs,': 0.74; 'attractive': 0.81 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=NlHhcFLwFXj5WEGQTxpA82HVcWW/OqkgRb2xF/imGOk=; b=eKF+f0dXSB95ME/oyCrUfu59NaNKtWekDy3Huzp4lSY1g6NBtkKjlmdqPxBznInnnT x/wx6HOvk4S/SHM6XU7v3FPAqmNiAXk2+JiXyxUYltLSmDc/UDAIrly+En/cPTIPHUAw NPmQWbjuIuiGk9UvqfoMa1NlXWREa0uoZ/e52OFiMJbG4SP9AbDr8npA+Q/H1T5YEXI5 hYs6BwEO+XHqeMF8GlgZUKeOUIpK3dwfshwCqN3qmmQZhsJ9cv4lx2XeL8MCnVTG2zbX Ts+Xh7zWEbydg7FZWh2tMbohvmjGyDkhXtLWOzcQ+xll1X291z1HeaXzoZKq6l+f6LA2 Pp8g== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.114.140 with SMTP id e12mr483110vcq.37.1406370780265; Sat, 26 Jul 2014 03:33:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <53D37F70.4080800@schwertberger.de> References: <53D2CAD8.1040306@schwertberger.de> <757bd14c-3742-4674-b305-b0cfe5a58b90@gmail.com> <53D37F70.4080800@schwertberger.de> Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2014 12:33:00 +0200 Subject: Re: .Net Like Gui Builder for Python? From: Martin S To: Dietmar Schwertberger Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b342eacc7ceb204ff1636cf Cc: python-list@python.org X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 51 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1406370783 news.xs4all.nl 2961 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:57437 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:75243 --047d7b342eacc7ceb204ff1636cf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On 26 Jul 2014 12:16, "Dietmar Schwertberger" wrote: > > Am 26.07.2014 11:05, schrieb Chris Angelico: > >> IMO it's an attractive nuisance at best. Make it easy to build >> something simple and flawed, and people will build things that aren't >> simple but are still flawed. Microsoft has done this to the world a > > For most software/tools that's good enough. It's better to have this than having > nothing. > Sure, when you have a look at the VB-created programs, most of them are flawed, > but still they solve problems. > And it gets people coding, adding to existing software and thinking about how to improve stuff (their own or others) in the future. Also if you look at any newbie programmer software, it's flawed. But it wouldn't hurt making it easier creating flawed software. Better than less software (unless it it's malware) /martin --047d7b342eacc7ceb204ff1636cf Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8


On 26 Jul 2014 12:16, "Dietmar Schwertberger" <maillist@schwertberger.de> wrote:
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> Am 26.07.2014 11:05, schrieb Chris Angelico:
>
>> IMO it's an attractive nuisance at best. Make it easy to build
>> something simple and flawed, and people will build things that aren't
>> simple but are still flawed. Microsoft has done this to the world a
>
> For most software/tools that's good enough. It's better to have this than having
> nothing.
> Sure, when you have a look at the VB-created programs, most of them are flawed,
> but still they solve problems.
>

And it gets people coding, adding to existing software and thinking about how to improve stuff (their own or others) in the future.

Also if you look at any newbie programmer software, it's flawed. But it wouldn't hurt making it easier creating flawed software. Better than less software (unless it it's malware)

/martin

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