Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!news.mixmin.net!rt.uk.eu.org!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.027 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.95; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'currently,': 0.09; 'curve': 0.09; 'sure,': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python- list': 0.11; 'python': 0.11; 'complicated,': 0.16; 'easier.': 0.16; 'enough.': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'matlab': 0.16; 'mean,': 0.16; 'porting': 0.16; 'steep': 0.16; 'sat,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'appears': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; '(or': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'excel': 0.26; 'gets': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'message- id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'could': 0.34; 'problem': 0.35; 'problem.': 0.35; 'tool': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; 'done': 0.36; 'subject:?': 0.36; 'whatever': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'even': 0.60; 'problems.': 0.60; 'solve': 0.60; 'most': 0.60; 'more': 0.64; 'due': 0.66; '26,': 0.68; 'jul': 0.74; 'programs,': 0.74; 'paper': 0.75; 'excel,': 0.84; 'ruled': 0.84; 'spreadsheet': 0.84; 'to:none': 0.92 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=/RGjpVxov0MZ+wYYyIIMG9zK76nWVNLIbIjz80DX8Zg=; b=InprsIXmU1Lb0jLGRhimxLpCa+1kQcLdCKvTep5o/3qco9gEb3NYE/SvTzmhTcdmEz 3BexGV2dwuoWa2GoXYF5LtY313ZdaAOXjd7vVIWfgCzEAi7ElEAu43ah9L8z+iacPnw9 TnAkmwGXaymNgaZ4JdOAtlKceWHc6fMjrugyq35UCVHT+U27/XhYje5FiWVdHCk6nsBL 1Zb+Nig0RRFR55Rv85tLfoy6AwNEXp5dE9MPjHSEUGonk41DwrXEl6gVvn4H7l8oy8XG 9PtLx25+qggacYzKIGxonuJzn4Px8oPVlHFWN9RhDXGSlFrGiCNlJIX8XwbFTXBJoCEf QrgA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.105.201 with SMTP id u9mr892649vco.11.1406370319765; Sat, 26 Jul 2014 03:25:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <53D37F70.4080800@schwertberger.de> References: <53D2CAD8.1040306@schwertberger.de> <757bd14c-3742-4674-b305-b0cfe5a58b90@gmail.com> <53D37F70.4080800@schwertberger.de> Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2014 20:25:19 +1000 Subject: Re: .Net Like Gui Builder for Python? From: Chris Angelico Cc: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1406370322 news.xs4all.nl 2950 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:54435 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:75242 On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 8:14 PM, Dietmar Schwertberger wrote: > For most software/tools that's good enough. It's better to have this than > having > nothing. > Sure, when you have a look at the VB-created programs, most of them are > flawed, > but still they solve problems. > > Currently, Python is ruled out as tool in many situations due to the steep > learning curve when it comes to GUIs, so people use Excel, Labview, Matlab > or whatever (or nothing at all or still VB). That's exactly what I mean by "attractive nuisance". Excel appears to solve your problem, so you use it, and then as the problem shifts, your spreadsheet gets more and more complicated, until it appears on The Daily WTF. Is that really a good thing? I mean, you could have started with pencil and paper, and that would have been even easier. The only difference is that you outgrow paper sooner than VB, which means porting is done on a much smaller "code"-base and is less of a problem. ChrisA