Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!ecngs!feeder2.ecngs.de!newsfeed.freenet.ag!news2.euro.net!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.000 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'output': 0.04; 'processed': 0.05; 'that?': 0.05; '------------': 0.07; 'nicely': 0.07; 'parameter': 0.07; 'parser': 0.07; 'parsing': 0.07; 'python': 0.09; 'imported': 0.09; 'macros': 0.09; 'pointers': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'script,': 0.09; 'subject:files': 0.09; 'suggestions.': 0.09; 'terry': 0.09; 'useless': 0.09; 'subject:python': 0.11; 'language': 0.14; 'file,': 0.15; 'languages.': 0.15; 'conditional': 0.16; 'globals(),': 0.16; 'hello:': 0.16; 'instances,': 0.16; 'locations.': 0.16; 'losing': 0.16; 'macros.': 0.16; 'namespace.': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'reedy': 0.16; 'strength': 0.16; 'variations': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; 'basically': 0.17; 'duplicate': 0.17; 'jan': 0.18; '(or': 0.18; 'appropriate': 0.20; 'define': 0.20; 'parameters': 0.20; 'proposed': 0.20; 'import': 0.21; 'nearly': 0.23; "python's": 0.23; 'random': 0.24; 'tried': 0.25; 'header:In-Reply- To:1': 0.25; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.26; 'wondering': 0.26; 'separate': 0.27; 'mix': 0.27; 'interface': 0.27; 'header:X -Complaints-To:1': 0.28; 'actual': 0.28; 'domain.': 0.29; 'factor': 0.29; 'proposing': 0.29; 'words': 0.29; 'class': 0.29; 'this.': 0.29; 'classes': 0.30; 'becomes': 0.30; 'writes': 0.30; 'basic': 0.30; 'expect': 0.31; 'located': 0.31; 'file': 0.32; 'could': 0.32; 'getting': 0.33; 'certain': 0.33; 'instead,': 0.33; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.33; 'knowledge': 0.33; 'know.': 0.33; 'point.': 0.33; 'tutorial': 0.33; 'another': 0.33; 'skip:- 20': 0.34; 'skip:b 20': 0.34; 'text': 0.34; 'along': 0.35; 'needed': 0.35; 'whatever': 0.35; 'mine': 0.35; 'pm,': 0.35; 'received:org': 0.36; 'really': 0.36; 'created': 0.36; 'but': 0.36; 'others.': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'does': 0.37; 'why': 0.37; '(for': 0.37; 'passed': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'description': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'called': 0.39; 'skip:" 10': 0.40; 'header:Received:5': 0.40; 'end': 0.40; 'most': 0.61; 'information': 0.63; 'managing': 0.64; 'fun': 0.64; 'become': 0.65; 'legal': 0.65; 'offer': 0.65; 'facilities': 0.69; 'hoping': 0.72; 'calculations': 0.84; 'received:fios.verizon.net': 0.84; 'comment.': 0.91; 'noise': 0.91; 'scene': 0.93 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Terry Reedy Subject: Re: Parsing files in python Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 20:46:49 -0500 References: <20121223171955.GB32535@ifeobi.illom.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-173-75-251-66.phlapa.fios.verizon.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 In-Reply-To: <20121223171955.GB32535@ifeobi.illom.net> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 87 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1356313637 news.xs4all.nl 6943 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:34535 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:35427 On 12/23/2012 12:19 PM, Kene Meniru wrote: > Hello: I am writing a program that is made up of a collection of > POV-Ray macros. POV-Ray is available at povray.org. It is a > ray-tracing program that reads a scene description language (SDL) to > create photo-realistic images. At this time my program (for modeling > building information) is so huge that I am finding it difficult > managing the macros and I am not even near completion. > > I am hoping to move this program to python and am wondering the best > way to approach this. > > I would like to model my program after LaTeX. Basically the user > writes a text file using certain key words and numbers and my python > program reads this file, calls the classes that will then work > together to calculate the information that is needed to create an > accurate model. The result of this calculation will be an output to > another text file in the appropriate format such as POV-Ray SDL, > OpenSCAD script, etc. This file output can then be rendered by the > corresponding program to produce the actual 3D model. The macros I > have now currently does this but like I said it is getting tedious > and most importantly the fun factor is losing its strength for me. > > I have been advised to check out python-ply and I have come across > others. I have not really tried any yet and before I dive into any > one of them I was wondering what else I should know. The following is > a sample of what the text file that will be processed by this > proposed system will contain. I appreciate any pointers and > suggestions. Mine is "Don't do that." Seriously. What I understand is that you are proposing to design and write a parser for yet another Domain Specific Language -- that will require knowledge to use that is useless outside the specific domain. I expect that is will come to duplicate the basic facilities of existing languages. Users will want to be able to calculate, make conditional calculations and constructions, iterate*, and define functions (subroutines, macros). Why bother to reinvent all that? It often becomes a mess. (Or you will offer or people will want to mix Python with the dsl. That also can become a mess.) Instead, write a pypovray package incorporating the POV macros, that can be imported into a python program. Write a tutorial for the specific parts of Python that users will need. For instances, someone wants to place duplicate or parameterized models on a rectangular grid, along an arc, or even at random locations. > ------------possible user file content for parsing ------------ // in > the following the python interface program reads //+ the contents of > the file "other.file" as if its content //+ were located at this > point. # this is a python comment. trivial difference from // > include other.file import other.file # with Python's variations # or exec(open('other.file')) # but it is nearly always better to # keep the separate namespace. What if a name in other.file # is the same as used below? import pypovray as ppr > //In the following the python interface makes "snap_size" a //+ > global parameter > declare snap_size = 10 snap_size = 10 # the extra word is just noise > // In the following "buildingLevel" is a class that is //+ called > and passed the parameters in parenthesis. buildingLevel("FirstLevel", > 3000) > > // In the following "snapOffset" is a class that is //+ called and > passed the parameters in parenthesis. > snapOffset("Closet-S1_r1", "Closet-S2_r3", <0,0,0>) Already legal Python # at the end of the file ppr.run(args) # Reads globals(), which python has nicely created for you, to create the master scene description and output whatever is needed for povray. It could be part of a template.py file you provide. -- Terry Jan Reedy