Path: csiph.com!au2pb.net!feeder.erje.net!1.eu.feeder.erje.net!bcyclone05.am1.xlned.com!bcyclone05.am1.xlned.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed8.news.xs4all.nl!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.043 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.91; '*S*': 0.00; 'python,': 0.02; 'puts': 0.07; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.09; 'anymore.': 0.09; 'work"': 0.09; 'python': 0.10; 'clear.': 0.16; 'dangerous,': 0.16; 'loaves': 0.16; 'things"': 0.16; 'things"': 0.16; 'uninstall': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; "wouldn't": 0.16; '"you': 0.18; 'beginner': 0.18; '>': 0.18; 'programmer': 0.18; '2015': 0.20; 'cc:2**0': 0.20; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.20; 'aug': 0.20; 'prevent': 0.20; 'meant': 0.22; 'are.': 0.22; 'cc:no real name:2**0': 0.22; 'bit': 0.23; 'unlike': 0.23; 'header:In-Reply- To:1': 0.24; 'sort': 0.25; 'not.': 0.27; 'message- id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.27; 'asks': 0.29; 'description,': 0.29; 'that.': 0.30; "can't": 0.32; 'case,': 0.34; 'tue,': 0.34; 'list': 0.34; 'skip:& 20': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'next': 0.35; 'clear': 0.35; 'attempt': 0.35; 'something': 0.35; 'but': 0.36; 'too': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'there': 0.36; '(and': 0.36; "wasn't": 0.36; 'pm,': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'really': 0.37; 'being': 0.37; 'skip:& 10': 0.37; 'operating': 0.37; 'thought': 0.37; 'things': 0.38; "won't": 0.38; 'mailing': 0.38; 'sure': 0.39; 'does': 0.39; 'system.': 0.39; 'mark': 0.40; 'some': 0.40; 'him': 0.60; 'your': 0.60; 'email addr:gmail.com': 0.62; 'bring': 0.62; 'here.': 0.62; 'respect': 0.65; 'hate': 0.66; 'life': 0.67; 'august': 0.75; 'sounds': 0.76; 'gain': 0.82; 'asshole': 0.84; 'batchelder': 0.84; 'bread': 0.84; 'fucking': 0.84; 'literally.': 0.84; 'pain': 0.84; 'territory.': 0.84; 'utc-4,': 0.84; 'way...': 0.84; 'dozen': 0.91 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=TdFS5PtQQ0KsjNzOaxTlFdJo6i2cDz5UTHB124GjxQ8=; b=qPdMOhkhUGy9xyT8ymakAQrx2wtyx/0o29Fmb0YG/G5iMkJPFyMvvjg5VPUBl3h3/8 0gLBLsuwkUlPDjfDZEzaN6mAOpEwfTbkzzgEie8pnCShcWPqcpZLkXrQ05OrSDa0YGTK R3LCa6+bivYx1iYwqVGo5fsOVzp8jg6qVuGJzXjIQs7aionS+JcQf0sdIIBPOK4GboM+ zSC+Yce8yPz3OmwIQ+94QhzzKFbr8RryVEUPbVRdOAtkvQM1aSDEbVshRbqCKqES3TMC Ski/e6ojRULwZihPBuuSSo4xmN9ML55mOKWQtcxbWDChuAYoxnJC+BaXJ5tyrEDwA2cz k5aA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.146.204 with SMTP id te12mr6174705oeb.85.1438740482325; Tue, 04 Aug 2015 19:08:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4500b743-ba01-4479-8de3-eed1a963cccb@googlegroups.com> References: <3E52DBEE-7F1F-49BB-9730-BA35BF5554B2@gmail.com> <7cbf35cc-9ac2-4d76-a06b-c5436d21f2de@googlegroups.com> <4500b743-ba01-4479-8de3-eed1a963cccb@googlegroups.com> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 03:08:02 +0100 Subject: Re: Uninstall From: Mario Figueiredo To: Ned Batchelder Cc: python-list@python.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b5d3d1a5f8351051c86dff9 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20+ Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 83 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1438740491 news.xs4all.nl 2871 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:58950 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl X-Received-Bytes: 8610 X-Received-Body-CRC: 4151719217 Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:94986 --047d7b5d3d1a5f8351051c86dff9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 11:06 PM, Ned Batchelder wrote: > > On Tuesday, August 4, 2015 at 2:32:16 PM UTC-4, sohca...@gmail.com wrote: > > milos: "You can't uninstall Python because it will break things" > > Grant: "Actually, you CAN uninstall Python, but it will break things" > > > > I really fucking hate how pedantic some of the people on this mailing list are. > > > > milos wasn't wrong. You just chose to take his message too literally. I thought it was pretty clear that when milos said "can't", he really meant "shouldn't". > > While I am often dismayed at the pedantry on this list (and many others), > in this case, I think the clarification was warranted. When a beginner > is about to attempt something dangerous, it is prudent to be sure the > instructions are clear. > > "You can't uninstall, because things won't work" sounds a bit like, > "you literally will not be able to uninstall things, because the operating > system will prevent you because it protects itself." > > I wouldn't want the next message to be the original asker saying, "No, > look, I was able to uninstall just fine!" without realizing they were > damaging their system. > Pedantry sort of comes with the territory. It's in the job description, so to speak. DJ Wiza should know that. There's that used joke of the programmer's wife that asks him to bring 3 loaves of bread and if there are any eggs to bring a dozen, and the programmer brings her wife a dozen loaves of bread. But being an asshole does not. That is something one chooses to become. Your answer squarely puts you in the group of people that chose to be in life to be a pain to others and actually gain the respect of even those that don't even know them. Unlike some other people in here. But Mark is right in a way... People like him is a reason I rarely frequent this place anymore. --047d7b5d3d1a5f8351051c86dff9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 11:06 PM, Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> wrote:
= >
> On Tuesday, August 4, 2015 at 2:32:16 PM UTC-4, sohca...@gmail.com wrote:
> > milos: &= quot;You can't uninstall Python because it will break things"
&= gt; > Grant: "Actually, you CAN uninstall Python, but it will break= things"
> >
> > I really fucking hate how pedantic = some of the people on this mailing list are.
> >
> > milo= s wasn't wrong.=C2=A0 You just chose to take his message too literally.= =C2=A0 I thought it was pretty clear that when milos said "can't&q= uot;, he really meant "shouldn't".
>
> While I am= often dismayed at the pedantry on this list (and many others),
> in = this case, I think the clarification was warranted.=C2=A0 When a beginner> is about to attempt something dangerous, it is prudent to be sure th= e
> instructions are clear.
>
> "You can't unins= tall, because things won't work" sounds a bit like,
> "= you literally will not be able to uninstall things, because the operating> system will prevent you because it protects itself."
>> I wouldn't want the next message to be the original asker saying,= "No,
> look, I was able to uninstall just fine!" without r= ealizing they were
> damaging their system.
>

= Pedantry sort of comes with the territory. It's in the job description,= so to speak. DJ Wiza should know that. There's that used joke of the p= rogrammer's wife that asks him to bring 3 loaves of bread and if there = are any eggs to bring a dozen, and the programmer brings her wife a dozen l= oaves of bread.

But being an asshole does not. Tha= t is something one chooses to become. Your answer squarely puts you in the = group of people that chose to be in life to be a pain to others and actuall= y gain the respect of even those that don't even know them. Unlike some= other people in here.

But Mark is right in = a way... People like him is a reason I rarely frequent this place anymore.<= /div>
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