Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.albasani.net!feeder.news-service.com!news2.euro.net!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.003 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:Python': 0.04; 'argument:': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229.12': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'received:lo.gmane.org': 0.09; 'bieber': 0.16; 'declaimed': 0.16; 'email addr:ix.netcom.com': 0.16; 'email name:wlfraed': 0.16; 'from:addr:ix.netcom.com': 0.16; 'from:addr:wlfraed': 0.16; 'from:name:dennis lee bieber': 0.16; 'gmt,': 0.16; 'received:66.245': 0.16; 'received:dsl.mindspring.com': 0.16; 'received:mindspring.com': 0.16; 'received:wlfraed': 0.16; 'sequential': 0.16; 'url:netcom': 0.16; 'url:wlfraed': 0.16; 'wulfraed': 0.16; 'lee': 0.22; 'url:home': 0.25; 'subject:data': 0.26; 'core': 0.28; 'subject:?': 0.29; 'shift': 0.31; 'whereas': 0.31; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.32; 'yourself.': 0.33; 'bit': 0.33; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.34; 'difference': 0.35; 'subject:What': 0.35; 'subject:use': 0.35; 'typical': 0.35; 'charset:us-ascii': 0.36; 'exactly': 0.37; 'engage': 0.38; 'parallel': 0.38; 'steven': 0.38; 'pretty': 0.38; 'used': 0.38; 'received:org': 0.38; 'though,': 0.39; 'common': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'header:Mime-Version:1': 0.39; "it's": 0.40; 'header:Received:5': 0.40; '2011': 0.62; 'dennis': 0.68; 'automatic': 0.71; 'gears': 0.84; 'now...': 0.84; 'racing': 0.84; 'subject:other': 0.84; 'cars': 0.91; 'motorcycle': 0.91 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Dennis Lee Bieber Subject: Re: What other languages use the same data model as Python? Date: Thu, 05 May 2011 22:24:30 -0700 Organization: > Bestiaria Support Staff < References: <77f64071-b288-404c-8280-b2c61ba77f06@n10g2000yqf.googlegroups.com> <4dc2be25$0$29991$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: user-11fabu2.dsl.mindspring.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 3.3/32.846 X-No-Archive: YES X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.94.164.166 X-Trace: 1304659485 news.xs4all.nl 81485 [::ffff:82.94.164.166]:33156 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.python:4796 On 05 May 2011 15:11:33 GMT, Steven D'Aprano declaimed the following in gmane.comp.python.general: > That's a pretty big difference though, and gets to the core of the > argument: it's a bit like arguing that manual cars are fitted with > exactly the same automatic transmission as auto cars, it's just that you > have to engage the clutch and shift gears yourself. Eeek! Even before I had a driver's license I knew that common manual transmissions used multiple parallel shafts with a number of free-spinning gears and splined synchros to engage a pair... Whereas the typical automatic used concentric planetary gear systems with friction clutches to lock/unlock particular combinations on sun/ring/planets. Now... Motorcycle and racing sequential shifters are a whole different mesh... -- Wulfraed Dennis Lee Bieber AF6VN wlfraed@ix.netcom.com HTTP://wlfraed.home.netcom.com/