Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!weretis.net!feeder1.news.weretis.net!feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed6.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.018 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.96; '*S*': 0.00; 'socket': 0.04; 'arguments': 0.05; 'width': 0.05; '>>>>': 0.09; 'assembler': 0.09; 'calculator': 0.09; 'wrote:': 0.15; 'columns': 0.16; 'has,': 0.16; 'kilobytes': 0.16; 'lower-case': 0.16; 'programmable': 0.16; 'roy': 0.16; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.16; 'pm,': 0.16; '>>>': 0.16; 'programming': 0.18; 'language': 0.20; 'wrote': 0.21; 'cc:2**0': 0.21; 'column': 0.22; 'cc:no real name:2**0': 0.22; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.22; 'commercially': 0.23; 'lines,': 0.23; 'optional': 0.23; 'code': 0.24; 'later': 0.26; "i'm": 0.27; "wasn't": 0.28; 'bit': 0.28; "didn't": 0.29; 'problem': 0.29; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.30; 'ran': 0.30; 'that...': 0.30; "won't": 0.32; 'cross': 0.32; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.34; "we're": 0.34; 'project': 0.35; 'machine': 0.35; 'idea': 0.36; 'but': 0.37; 'received:192': 0.38; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'steven': 0.38; 'something': 0.38; 'think': 0.38; 'room': 0.38; 'screen': 0.38; 'received:192.168.1': 0.39; '[1]': 0.39; "there's": 0.39; 'more.': 0.61; 'took': 0.63; 'believe': 0.66; 'limit': 0.66; 'circle': 0.67; 'today': 0.71; 'header:Reply-To:1': 0.71; 'reply-to:no real name:2**0': 0.72; 'subject:have': 0.74; 'dead': 0.80; '02:59': 0.84; 'canon,': 0.84; 'handheld': 0.84; 'readability': 0.84; 'subject:should': 0.84; 'ships': 0.91 Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 13:11:21 -0400 From: Dave Angel User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110516 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steven D'Aprano Subject: Re: Tabs -vs- Spaces: Tabs should have won. References: <4e225255$0$29990$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <1536999d-976f-48c5-9d22-207974540d3a@c41g2000yqm.googlegroups.com> <4e2385ea$0$29977$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <4e244a67$0$29983$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> In-Reply-To: <4e244a67$0$29983$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:e0GGqGWANkkpRfllG+0ENAioILTi1FXV95eS57ah3j8 rVq8qPdTluOsD06R+VuMjxQFt9jtQ+qewjL0xA4ifMncY5PDf/ qallyAwMO4ApnudQoDMyXFxAtrQ2YVgc+YaJij/khjTuBnMWli 6fgpiW/qd03gWCZhlPwaR0HENwnz9ZigtwUrqMt8ECXGShCfgC hvGHneGcf8PfQ8l0m8+Tw== Cc: python-list@python.org X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: davea@ieee.org List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 42 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1311009110 news.xs4all.nl 23854 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:45258 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.python:9819 On 01/-10/-28163 02:59 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > Tim Chase wrote: > >> On 07/17/2011 08:01 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: >>> Roy Smith wrote: >>>> We don't have that problem any more. It truly boggles my >>>> mind that we're still churning out people with 80 column >>>> minds. I'm willing to entertain arguments about readability >>>> of long lines, but the idea that there's something magic >>>> about 80 columns is hogwash. >>> I agree! Which is why I set my line width to 78 columns. >> Bah, when I started programming >> on the Apple ][+, we had no >> lower-case and a 40-column limit >> on the TV display. >> But you try and tell the young >> people today that... >> and they won't believe ya'. > 40 columns? Luxury! My first computer was a Hewlett Packard 28S handheld > programmable calculator, with 22 columns[1] and 32 entire kilobytes of > memory! > > (I don't include my previous programmable calculator, a Casio, or was it a > Canon, as the programming language included wasn't Turing Complete.) > > > > [1] I think it was 22 columns -- that's what my HP 48GX has, and I'm sure > the 28S screen was no larger. > My first programmable calculator had 1.5k of RAM, display was 13 digits wide, and it took an optional 2k of PROM via a plugin socket on top. I wrote a commercially sold navigation program for that calculator. The program was used on ships in 1974 and later. Later I squeezed the code a bit and made room for a dead reckoning program and great circle calculator. I didn't write a cross assembler for it till after this project was finished. That assembler ran on a machine with 64 column display. DaveA