Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!goblin3!goblin2!goblin.stu.neva.ru!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.000 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'python.': 0.02; 'python,': 0.02; 'receives': 0.04; 'subject:Question': 0.07; '[0,': 0.09; '[0]': 0.09; 'caller': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'creates': 0.14; 'itself.': 0.14; '"object': 0.16; '(am': 0.16; '.py': 0.16; 'access)': 0.16; 'article.': 0.16; 'caller.': 0.16; 'expect,': 0.16; 'figure,': 0.16; 'in;': 0.16; 'once.': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'storing': 0.16; 'subject:object': 0.16; 'thanks,': 0.17; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'variable': 0.18; 'file,': 0.19; 'help.': 0.21; 'seems': 0.21; 'command': 0.22; 'memory': 0.22; 'putting': 0.22; 'header:User- Agent:1': 0.23; 'url:02': 0.24; 'references': 0.26; 'shown': 0.26; 'asking': 0.27; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'function': 0.29; 'topic': 0.29; "doesn't": 0.30; 'code': 0.31; 'lines': 0.31; '>>>>': 0.31; 'file': 0.32; 'figure': 0.32; 'running': 0.33; 'there': 0.35; 'explains': 0.36; 'shows': 0.36; 'subject:?': 0.36; 'hi,': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'explain': 0.39; 'does': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'how': 0.40; 'new': 0.61; 'entire': 0.61; 'here:': 0.62; 'show': 0.63; 'different': 0.65; 'linked': 0.65; 'receive': 0.70; 'gotten': 0.74; 'subject.': 0.74; 'article': 0.77; 'confusing': 0.84; 'different.': 0.84; 'url:2014': 0.84 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Ned Batchelder Subject: Re: Question about Pass-by-object-reference? Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 15:32:19 -0400 References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 18.189.123.101 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.8; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 46 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1406057555 news.xs4all.nl 2862 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:33795 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:75014 On 7/22/14 3:04 PM, fl wrote: > Hi, > I learn Python function call on tutorial. There is a link on this subject. > http://robertheaton.com/2014/02/09/pythons-pass-by-object-reference-as-explained-by-philip-k-dick/ > > Although it explains clearly, the figure makes me puzzled. > > ""Python is different. As we know, in Python, "Object references are passed by > value". > > A function receives a reference to (and will access) the same object in memory as > used by the caller. However, it does not receive the box that the caller is > storing this object in; as in pass-by-value, the function provides its own box and > creates a new variable for itself. Let's try appending again:"" > > On the figure, it shows that the result is [0, 1] (Am I right on the figure?) > This is a topic that often confuses people new to Python. The article you linked to seems very confusing to me. My own take on how to explain it is here: http://nedbatchelder.com/text/names.html > > When I enter the command lines on my computer: >>>> list=[0] >>>> append(list) >>>> print(list) > [0] > > How to understand my result and that figure? You should have gotten [0, 1], you must have different code than was shown in the article. I recommend putting the code into a .py file, and running it all at once. Then if it doesn't do what you expect, you can show the entire .py file when asking for help. > > > > Thanks, > -- Ned Batchelder, http://nedbatchelder.com