Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.156 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.70; '*S*': 0.01; 'subject:IDLE': 0.04; '21,': 0.07; "ain't": 0.09; 'bug': 0.12; 'buggy': 0.16; 'email addr:python.org]': 0.16; 'expects': 0.16; 'skip:[ 40': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'message-----': 0.19; 'user.': 0.19; 'to:name :python-list@python.org': 0.22; 'platform,': 0.24; 'regardless': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'chris': 0.29; 'subject:) ': 0.29; "doesn't": 0.30; 'program,': 0.31; 'monday,': 0.33; 'could': 0.34; "can't": 0.35; 'agree': 0.35; 'something': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'idle': 0.36; 'otherwise.': 0.36; 'charset:us-ascii': 0.36; 'wrong': 0.37; 'email addr:python.org': 0.37; 'received:10': 0.37; 'implement': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'skip:- 10': 0.38; 'subject:': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'users': 0.40; 'even': 0.60; 'back': 0.62; 're:': 0.63; 'such': 0.63; 'july': 0.63; 'subject:more': 0.64; 'more': 0.64; 'email name:python- list': 0.65; 'money': 0.72; 'expectations': 0.74; 'message- id:invalid': 0.79; 'intentions': 0.84; 'edwards': 0.91; 'yours.': 0.93; 'contrary': 0.95; 'taught': 0.96 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=verizonwireless.com; i=@verizonwireless.com; q=dns/txt; s=prodmail; t=1405954325; x=1437490325; h=from:to:date:subject:references:in-reply-to: content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=6v9g9EoL0q5DTTOOvxnbydl8Yq/tMAxsceT5hbnv/FY=; b=c26K9IufDg7+9Oesjz59Jyrm3NEPhqBuvzEjtLNXpVmRbz9eMlvJyQg5 SQ5zWlmNd6UFzIr3SHExdaQOEjowkwnctZG8AyPL1XrDr6CyPdj9TESYo wzf6/gyB9OrRDEbUpjWRzqIH4yd/ZUHOuUPoEgIlGdtuZV+XIp6GoGZjg A=; From: "Coll-Barth, Michael" To: "python-list@python.org" Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 10:51:57 -0400 Subject: RE: PyWart(2.7.8) IDLE is more buggy than "Joe's apartment"! Thread-Topic: PyWart(2.7.8) IDLE is more buggy than "Joe's apartment"! Thread-Index: Ac+k8Fxr9eTIWr93TU2yWgZGg4jdwQAAISUQ References: <232acf45-096d-466a-aa75-06d8c378b128@googlegroups.com> <53cc376e$0$2898$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl> <53926733-5e65-482f-96bc-0171c6a93d59@googlegroups.com> <4882fd4d-b772-4ebb-8aaa-0c20be6051b6@googlegroups.com> <1fbbc39f-0191-4e3f-b330-feca48687bb3@OHTWI1EXH002.uswin.ad.vzwcorp.com> In-Reply-To: <1fbbc39f-0191-4e3f-b330-feca48687bb3@OHTWI1EXH002.uswin.ad.vzwcorp.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 18:54:24 +0200 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 34 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1405961665 news.xs4all.nl 2901 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:54568 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:74930 > -----Original Message----- > From: Python-list [mailto:python-list-bounces+michael.coll- > barth=3Dverizonwireless.com@python.org] On Behalf Of Grant Edwards > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2014 10:27 AM > To: python-list@python.org > Subject: Re: PyWart(2.7.8) IDLE is more buggy than "Joe's apartment"! >=20 > On 2014-07-21, Chris Angelico wrote: >=20 > > You call it a bug because you can't think of any way it could be > > beneficial. That's the wrong way of looking at it. Something isn't a > > bug because you find it annoying; it's a bug because it fails to > > implement the programmer's intentions and/or the docs/specification. >=20 > I was always taught that it's a "bug" is when a program doesn't do > what a reasonable user expects -- that it's got nothing to do with the > programmer's intent. >=20 > -- I have to agree with Chris. A bug is what you call something that happens = contrary to design or intent. Only. I build a program, regardless of the = platform, with my intent, not yours. When it blows up or doesn't do what I= want, then it's a bug and it's a bug even if there are no users for my pro= gram. Something that happens contrary to user expectations is an annoyance to tha= t user. You might want to get your money back from those that taught you o= therwise. BTW, there ain't no such thing as a 'reasonable' user. That's what they ca= ll an oxymoron.=20