Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!feeds.news.ox.ac.uk!news.ox.ac.uk!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.030 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.94; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:IDLE': 0.04; '22,': 0.09; 'lawrence': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'bug': 0.12; 'absence.': 0.16; 'bugs.': 0.16; 'bureau': 0.16; 'expects': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; '>>>': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; "i've": 0.25; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'chris': 0.29; 'am,': 0.29; 'subject:) ': 0.29; "doesn't": 0.30; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'could': 0.34; "can't": 0.35; 'something': 0.35; 'definition': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'wrong': 0.37; 'implement': 0.38; 'is.': 0.60; 'entire': 0.61; 'subject:more': 0.64; 'kept': 0.65; 'jul': 0.74; 'intentions': 0.84; 'edwards': 0.91; 'to:none': 0.92; 'taught': 0.96 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=P/avFx9odpVfnD4lbolc9Si9xktsHmbRqgFIDwMyOLI=; b=L93rGSiYqF8Iu80qPaoOUzw0wLsDN9iQTcqDZYo9jWpPKmQIWeVoxfaliifetor9Rs DyJQDlQS5ntezP2Bd5sUd9vmM+LTQ/83unFdfLgCqdqQ0E9L+JNT57kdabaJYi57ePeS UsD9UE+Bh0voa/bWcoidyJl7Hv3rkU/+QwpbIvNdcHi7TIHjZNAS/X20ygQoHiNzuwKp crFifxj98i1j3bdfpvv+ZpXIGj5cF2JOevyDQPdy/Y59Yy6Xf8Ar6BJTWgHlS5AH1y5o DGrqGqRfEMa52gY8NXRO/pBaeDMI21JHqX6sTS9BKColzYgcj+PScen1TNZC9whv6chb lBOA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.1.70 with SMTP id 6mr5043041vce.62.1405956452986; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 08:27:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <232acf45-096d-466a-aa75-06d8c378b128@googlegroups.com> <53cc376e$0$2898$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl> <53926733-5e65-482f-96bc-0171c6a93d59@googlegroups.com> <4882fd4d-b772-4ebb-8aaa-0c20be6051b6@googlegroups.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 01:27:32 +1000 Subject: Re: PyWart(2.7.8) IDLE is more buggy than "Joe's apartment"! From: Chris Angelico Cc: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1405956455 news.xs4all.nl 2854 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:52812 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:74922 On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 1:19 AM, Mark Lawrence wrote: > On 21/07/2014 15:27, Grant Edwards wrote: >> >> On 2014-07-21, Chris Angelico wrote: >> >>> You call it a bug because you can't think of any way it could be >>> beneficial. That's the wrong way of looking at it. Something isn't a >>> bug because you find it annoying; it's a bug because it fails to >>> implement the programmer's intentions and/or the docs/specification. >> >> >> I was always taught that it's a "bug" is when a program doesn't do >> what a reasonable user expects -- that it's got nothing to do with the >> programmer's intent. >> > > As in my entire career I've never come across a "reasonable user" then by > that definition there are no bugs. Absence of evidence is not the same as evidence of absence. It may be that there is a single platinum "reasonable user", kept at the International Bureau of Bugs, that we may all look on it and know what the SI Standard User is. ChrisA