Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.026 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.95; '*S*': 0.00; 'interpreter': 0.05; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'bash': 0.09; 'subject: [': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'windows': 0.15; 'prefer.': 0.16; 'throw': 0.16; 'usable': 0.16; ':-)': 0.16; 'ignore': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'typing': 0.19; 'work,': 0.20; 'command': 0.22; 'programming': 0.22; 'minutes.': 0.22; 'install': 0.23; 'lets': 0.24; "haven't": 0.24; 'environment': 0.24; 'sort': 0.25; 'equivalent': 0.26; '(for': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'testing': 0.29; 'tim': 0.29; 'dos': 0.30; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; 'url:wiki': 0.31; "d'aprano": 0.31; 'steven': 0.31; 'url:wikipedia': 0.31; 'anyone': 0.31; 'regular': 0.32; 'linux': 0.33; 'running': 0.33; 'guess': 0.33; 'to:name:python-list': 0.33; 'basic': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'consistent': 0.36; 'machine.': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'skip:& 10': 0.38; 'subject:]': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'short': 0.38; 'launch': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'either': 0.39; 'how': 0.40; 'commands': 0.60; 'most': 0.60; 'black': 0.61; 'skip:o 30': 0.61; 'times': 0.62; 'july': 0.63; 'cygwin': 0.84; 'dying': 0.84; 'macbook': 0.84; 'much,': 0.84; 'skip:w 60': 0.84; 'boxes': 0.91 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=rNEVWV+nxuKp+DZh7JBn7YH5cO3DDS2haIAkoUfSU+A=; b=LVjJqS5BZbgjIQwKCjU9zOyM9RmyBHngbQqIQr8Nw3IEDRersjT+nkWkWZHlvAgW9G 1pqv0pTcWbTLyWdFw0rFGK/0i9emDhsuS9RptfSbmUKM+GizNFprv9Ixzp50FYjUvWCM eVJRrxtY1/jSPEWideChwgKeWC/cN2gUV1cvcAXObb4neFwYC53wZRZbfBBHpfpQwF/i BHYiAEAUUNTaWz3JI31f5Aron7RHdiVknI97QKITn5bB/A9o3nCAeaADWwBq+dTyr+Be VwdN54jgLQBdk3G8oCNY8KYWvBh48YxYVYupuCoh9D78W9ikIym3or78wruQSca1OpSG mi0A== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.63.166 with SMTP id h6mr22423160oes.79.1405829934792; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 21:18:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <53CB20FE.6050300@cdreimer.com> References: <87zjga4j4v.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <53c57bae$0$9505$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <87iomy4ciy.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <53c5f6dc$0$9505$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <87egxl4zq8.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <53c73ff0$0$29897$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <9ef930a0-5a41-4a20-a13a-003c9e8246fe@googlegroups.com> <53c9655a$0$9505$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <368c1e4f-9328-445b-9876-9f26560a50c2@googlegroups.com> <53ca1e27$0$9505$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <53cb1a12$0$6574$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <53CB20FE.6050300@cdreimer.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 14:18:54 +1000 Subject: Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] From: Tim Delaney To: Python-List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c21eaee0c91904fe984995 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 82 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1405829943 news.xs4all.nl 2917 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:60257 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:74867 --001a11c21eaee0c91904fe984995 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On 20 July 2014 11:53, C.D. Reimer wrote: > > On 7/19/2014 6:23 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > >> I haven't used Python on Windows much, but when I did use it, I found the >> standard Python interactive interpreter running under cmd.exe to be bare- >> bones but usable for testing short snippets. If I recall correctly, it is >> missing any sort of command history or line editing other than backspace, >> which I guess it would have been painful to use for extensive interactive >> work, but when I started using Python on Linux the interactive interpreter >> had no readline support either so it was just like old times :-) >> > > Windows PowerShell supports very basic Linux commands and has a command > history. I'm always typing "ls" for a directory listing when I'm on a > Windows machine. The regular command line would throw a DOS fit. PowerShell > lets me get away with it. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_PowerShell#Comparison_ > of_cmdlets_with_similar_commands > > I prefer working on my vintage 2006 Black MacBook. Alas, the CPU fan is > dying and MacBook shuts down after 15 minutes. I'm surprised at how well I > was able to set up a equivalent programming environment on Windows. I advise anyone who works cross-platform to install MSYS on their Windows boxes (for the simplest, most consistent behaviour ignore rxvt and just launch bash -l - i directly). Or use cygwin if you prefer. Tim Delaney --001a11c21eaee0c91904fe984995 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On 2= 0 July 2014 11:53, C.D. Reimer <chris@cdreimer.com> wrote:<= br>

On 7/19/2014 6:23 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
I haven't used Python on Windows much, but when I did use it, I found t= he standard Python interactive interpreter running under cmd.exe to be bare= - bones but usable for testing short snippets. If I recall correctly, it is= missing any sort of command history or line editing other than backspace, = which I guess it would have been painful to use for extensive interactive w= ork, but when I started using Python on Linux the interactive interpreter h= ad no readline support either so it was just like old times :-)

Windows PowerShell supports very basic Linux commands and has a command his= tory. I'm always typing "ls" for a directory listing when I&#= 39;m on a Windows machine. The regular command line would throw a DOS fit. = PowerShell lets me get away with it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki= /Windows_PowerShell#Comparison_of_cmdlets_with_similar_commands

I prefer working on my vintage 2006 Black MacBook. Alas, the CPU fan is dyi= ng and MacBook shuts down after 15 minutes. I'm surprised at how well I= was able to set up a equivalent programming environment on Windows.

I advise anyone who works cross-platform to install MSY= S on their Windows boxes (for the simplest, most consistent behaviour ignor= e rxvt and just launch bash -l - i directly). Or use cygwin if you prefer.<= /div>

Tim Delaney=C2=A0
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