Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.001 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'true,': 0.05; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'ide': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'subject: [': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'jan': 0.12; 'windows': 0.15; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'reedy': 0.16; 'so.': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'file,': 0.19; 'seems': 0.21; 'shell': 0.22; 'install': 0.23; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; "aren't": 0.24; 'case.': 0.24; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply- To:1': 0.27; 'am,': 0.29; "d'aprano": 0.31; 'fixing': 0.31; 'steven': 0.31; 'running': 0.33; 'editor': 0.35; 'one,': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'idle': 0.36; 'doing': 0.36; 'subject:]': 0.38; 'needed': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'does': 0.39; 'received:71': 0.39; 'use.': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'unable': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'simply': 0.61; 'biggest': 0.67; 'anything.': 0.68; 'received:fios.verizon.net': 0.84 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Terry Reedy Subject: Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 14:31:10 -0400 References: <87zjga4j4v.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <53c57bae$0$9505$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <87iomy4ciy.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <53c5f6dc$0$9505$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <87egxl4zq8.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <53c73ff0$0$29897$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <9ef930a0-5a41-4a20-a13a-003c9e8246fe@googlegroups.com> <53c9655a$0$9505$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <368c1e4f-9328-445b-9876-9f26560a50c2@googlegroups.com> <53ca1e27$0$9505$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-71-175-90-87.phlapa.fios.verizon.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 In-Reply-To: <53ca1e27$0$9505$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1405794725 news.xs4all.nl 2935 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:56247 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:74827 On 7/19/2014 3:28 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > So why does Python ship with IDLE? On Windows the Idle shell is needed for sensible interactive use. For simply editing a Python file, running it, and fixing it, the Idle editor seems *about* as good as anything. > It's not because Python requires an > IDE, or that newbies need one, or that there aren't alternatives. The > biggest reason for Python shipping with an IDE is not that people are > unable to install alternatives, but that a lot of people are *prohibited* > from doing so. This is true, but I think it understates the case. -- Terry Jan Reedy