Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!news.mixmin.net!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.023 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.95; '*S*': 0.00; 'odd': 0.07; 'rest,': 0.07; 'cursor': 0.09; 'learn,': 0.09; '\xe2\x80\x94': 0.09; 'cc:addr :python-list': 0.11; 'anyway': 0.14; 'language.': 0.14; 'backspace': 0.16; 'exist.': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'i\xe2\x80\x99m': 0.16; 'microphone': 0.16; 'people),': 0.16; 'podcast': 0.16; 'slip': 0.16; 'subject:OOP': 0.16; 'subject:stuck': 0.16; 'through.': 0.16; 'typo': 0.16; 'written)': 0.16; 'sat,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'properly': 0.19; 'written': 0.21; '>>>': 0.22; '(in': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'tend': 0.24; 'text,': 0.24; 'visible': 0.24; 'fine': 0.24; 'people,': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'posts': 0.26; 'tutorials': 0.26; 'second': 0.26; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'chris': 0.29; 'feature': 0.29; 'leave': 0.29; 'am,': 0.29; 'errors': 0.30; 'especially': 0.30; 'message- id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'usually': 0.31; 'exceptions': 0.31; 'fixing': 0.31; 'material.': 0.31; 'anyone': 0.31; 'another': 0.32; 'becomes': 0.33; 'there,': 0.34; "i'd": 0.34; 'could': 0.34; 'basic': 0.35; "can't": 0.35; 'good.': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'version': 0.36; 'really': 0.36; 'leads': 0.36; 'opposed': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'detail': 0.37; 'effort': 0.37; 'being': 0.38; 'depends': 0.38; 'issue': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'anything': 0.39; 'explain': 0.39; 'extremely': 0.39; 'enough': 0.39; 'read': 0.60; 'everybody': 0.60; 'worry': 0.60; 'most': 0.60; 'simply': 0.61; 'first': 0.61; 'back': 0.62; 'more': 0.64; 'movement': 0.65; 'skip:\xe2 10': 0.65; 'wall': 0.65; 'worth': 0.66; '20,': 0.68; 'subject': 0.69; 'person.': 0.69; '8bit%:43': 0.74; 'jul': 0.74; 'clearly.': 0.84; 'forced': 0.84; 'it\xe2\x80\x99s': 0.84; 'pain': 0.84; 'politically': 0.84; 'retype': 0.84; 'to:none': 0.92; 'poorly': 0.93 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=v4eNGLb/0qWGlN2KNWqJ2XnJJ32Xmn7q3E1bBG3OgXw=; b=fk794sJX0KWBJ0LxWTmgXRhiyTcT2j1twAqifedfT8NZxLRx9ht5Oy8FESquyNN6Mg fz9eqkcdqPMzYSB4MDL+/Anh4c3s1i1pY4Yjycrmtw0mJmjQ4qgHBSoAHHOBgiWzgKS2 UZBvR44oIi7b/JLkvIuOVWbuFwHNkLZfHl6O1XNvCxaoEmFWmdk4nw+9aOFGIHxFIqx5 QVx89Vh5p+JMYZOX80cTf0ARg0MhYki1CxXP68hdNBO0nQ96CkJdJ+56IoU6BcXrJ/vK Aa9Y3u2nqry2cDlugz4b3l0wvoe+icebwyvTeJ9k0q7CeZFOpYfnWV+r1AZpiGC0F4Oz CokA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.64.140 with SMTP id o12mr2913809vds.70.1405788515500; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 09:48:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <53c96820$0$9505$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <53CA925B.8030600@web.de> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 02:48:35 +1000 Subject: Re: I am stuck on OOP From: Chris Angelico Cc: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 45 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1405788523 news.xs4all.nl 2929 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:36606 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:74822 On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 2:36 AM, Chris =E2=80=9CKwpolska=E2=80=9D Warrick wrote: > On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 5:44 PM, Sibylle Koczian = wrote: >> Am 18.07.2014 20:45, schrieb Chris =E2=80=9CKwpolska=E2=80=9D Warrick: >> >>> Yes, exceptions do exist. But most video tutorials are produced by >>> people without enough knowledge, and people that should not be working >>> on educational material. This is especially visible in videos about >>> basic things: they can be produced by just about anyone with a >>> microphone =E2=80=94 which never leads to anything good. (In order to b= e more >>> precise, I'd have to be politically incorrect.) >>> >> >> Moreover people knowing enough about the subject and being able to expla= in >> it really well won't necessarily speak clearly. And spoken English is so= far >> away from the written version anyway that it's simply a pain for everybo= dy >> with another first language. > > Depends on the person. I=E2=80=99m perfectly fine with spoken English (a= s > long at it isn=E2=80=99t produced by Asians and other badly-speaking peop= le), > and it=E2=80=99s not my mother tongue. My main issue with spoken (as opposed to written) English is that it becomes so fundamentally linear. You can't skim a podcast and then read in detail the parts you want; it's fiddly to go back and reread something; and it's extremely fiddly to go back and re*write* something, so a lot of errors slip through. (Imagine if you had to type python-list posts without any cursor movement or backspace functionality, but you could go back and retype any one paragraph from scratch. I posit you would leave the odd typo in there, because it's just not worth the effort of fixing it.) Of course, its linearity is a feature for a lot of people, who tend to skim things poorly and not properly learn, but when they're forced to concentrate on what's being fed to them right this second and not worry about the rest, they can comprehend it better; but if you can properly grok a wall of text, that's usually going to be more efficient. ChrisA