Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!goblin2!goblin.stu.neva.ru!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.003 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'debugger': 0.09; 'ide': 0.09; 'unified': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; '(sorry,': 0.16; 'emacs,': 0.16; 'eric,': 0.16; 'from:addr:mrabarnett.plus.com': 0.16; 'from:addr:python': 0.16; 'from:name:mrab': 0.16; 'matlab': 0.16; 'message- id:@mrabarnett.plus.com': 0.16; 'received:192.168.1.4': 0.16; 'received:84.93': 0.16; 'received:84.93.230': 0.16; 'said.': 0.16; 'spyder,': 0.16; 'thursday,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'thu,': 0.19; '>>>': 0.22; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'url:moin': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'point': 0.28; 'appear': 0.29; 'easier': 0.31; 'url:wiki': 0.31; '-0700,': 0.31; "d'aprano": 0.31; 'steven': 0.31; 'languages': 0.32; 'url:python': 0.33; 'agree': 0.35; 'johnson': 0.35; 'received:84': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; "i'll": 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'to:addr:python- list': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'july': 0.63; 'skip:n 10': 0.64; 'jul': 0.74; 'lack': 0.78; 'boa': 0.84; 'rick': 0.93 X-CM-Score: 0.00 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=E5NDpMtl c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=0nF1XD0wxitMEM03M9B4ZQ==:117 a=0nF1XD0wxitMEM03M9B4ZQ==:17 a=0Bzu9jTXAAAA:8 a=u9EReRu7m0cA:10 a=ihvODaAuJD4A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=EBOSESyhAAAA:8 a=8AHkEIZyAAAA:8 a=y3KPlEUxvmmzUZAucIUA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=BJjZSDhEpNIA:10 X-AUTH: mrabarnett:2500 Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 20:44:23 +0100 From: MRAB User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: Python 3 is killing Python References: <99b7b2a2-7521-42d7-a5a0-1a35d4d5b922@googlegroups.com> <53C4A454.9010600@gmail.com> <87zjga4j4v.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <53c57bae$0$9505$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <87iomy4ciy.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <53c5f6dc$0$9505$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <87egxl4zq8.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <53c73ff0$0$29897$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <9ef930a0-5a41-4a20-a13a-003c9e8246fe@googlegroups.com> <53c9655a$0$9505$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> In-Reply-To: <53c9655a$0$9505$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1405712668 news.xs4all.nl 2851 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:60954 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:74770 On 2014-07-18 19:20, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Thu, 17 Jul 2014 11:15:59 -0700, Rick Johnson wrote: > >> On Thursday, July 17, 2014 5:12:23 AM UTC-5, Fabien wrote: >>> For non-informatic students [...] I don't think that's true. Less >>> general languages like Matlab appear much easier to me: unified >>> doc, unified IDE, unified debugger >> >> I'll agree that the lack of a "quality" IDE in Python is a point of >> inadequacy. > > https://wiki.python.org/moin/IntegratedDevelopmentEnvironments > > PyDev, Eric, Komodo, PyCharm, WingIDE, SPE, Ninja-IDE, Geany, IEP, > Spyder, Boa Constructor, PyScripter, NetBeans, Emacs, KDevelop, > BlackAdder, ... > [snip] Yes, but _apart_ from PyDev, Eric, Komodo, PyCharm, WingIDE, SPE, Ninja-IDE, Geany, IEP, Spyder, Boa Constructor, PyScripter, NetBeans, Emacs, KDevelop and BlackAdder, why isn't there a "quality" IDE? (Sorry, but it had to be said. :-))