Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!gegeweb.org!newsfeed0.kamp.net!newsfeed.kamp.net!feeder1.cambriumusenet.nl!feed.tweaknews.nl!194.109.133.83.MISMATCH!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.002 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'mrab': 0.05; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'permitted': 0.07; 'referring': 0.07; 'bytes,': 0.09; 'bytes.': 0.09; 'interpreted': 0.09; 'lines.': 0.09; 'wrote': 0.14; '16-bit': 0.16; '8-bit': 0.16; '8088': 0.16; 'bits.': 0.16; 'bus.': 0.16; 'interpreter,': 0.16; 'itself,': 0.16; 'language)': 0.16; 'likewise': 0.16; "pc's": 0.16; 'processor,': 0.16; 'processors': 0.16; 'space).': 0.16; 'time).': 0.16; 'words.': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'bit': 0.19; 'memory': 0.22; '(in': 0.22; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'byte': 0.24; 'bytes': 0.24; 'processor': 0.24; 'equivalent': 0.26; 'switch': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'generally': 0.29; 'dec': 0.30; 'code': 0.31; 'compatible': 0.32; 'run': 0.32; 'bus': 0.33; 'could': 0.34; 'basic': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; 'ibm': 0.36; 'half': 0.37; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'ability': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'called': 0.40; 'most': 0.60; 'first': 0.61; 'address': 0.63; 'term': 0.63; 'more': 0.64; 'taking': 0.65; 'charset:windows-1252': 0.65; 'believe': 0.68; 'received:74.208': 0.68; 'home': 0.69; 'fact,': 0.69; 'therefore': 0.72; 'distinguish': 0.84; 'subject:Practices': 0.84; '8bit': 0.91 Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2015 23:49:57 -0500 From: Dave Angel User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: Python Worst Practices References: <7053A277-9687-49B0-9FDB-CB4DB3E76DEC@gmail.com> <54F0E38D.40006@davea.name> <54f274bb$0$13011$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <54F3C3FF.3040608@mrabarnett.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <54F3C3FF.3040608@mrabarnett.plus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:3s9G28j2FyvpQLWsBMrAFidwjH5Oqp32Y8MfKiuomGN Zoh6ApzjffYE8c20BAB7XzmL3HvABiSFPz4rAYCAMsheTVm0y5 nAoqh8LaTEUaI9HZlvS3ao2Q5/hcbdpA9FawHbj2qBd1Qukrpl IkR5RW1ActNOKqSm63uwYMnAZHoUPpzPrbASGzVINnUdjXfgRH qtASOuYPPoB3ZvGyppJTnmW07x3GUUbkh0hY0MesgNA1eyK7aa Td463ZX9ZYdoooGiSb0xgPEJDQYWvXcgOc89P/RStls6knHlGY /qZC716kVhS66mVS+l0Psf1xRFWF+7hcTMSAdIIu7usY+41+f1 cccrCvYbRgcWZM6/BrNg= X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1; X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.19 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 35 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1425271817 news.xs4all.nl 2851 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:59673 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:86699 On 03/01/2015 08:59 PM, MRAB wrote: > On 2015-03-02 01:37, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote >> >> You'd be able to run it on a TI99/4 (in which the BASIC interpreter, >> itself, was run on an interpreter... nothing like taking the first >> "16-bit" >> home computer and shackling it with an interpreted language that was >> run on >> an interpreted language) >> > The "16-bit" CPU had a 16-bit address bus (64K address space). If you > were going to switch from an 8-bit processor to a 16-bit processor, one > of the pluses you'd be looking for would the ability to directly > address more than 64K. > The 16 bit address bus permitted addressing of 64k words. On most processors, that was 64k bytes, though I know one Harris had no bytes, but every memory access was 16 bits. It therefore had the equivalent of 128k bytes. Likewise I believe some of the DEC and DG minis had 128k bytes of addressability. Usually, the term 8bit processor was referring to the size of the register(s), not the address bus. All the 8 bit micro-processors had 16 bit address buses. In fact, 4 bit processors generally had 12 to 16 bit address buses as well. So a 4 bit processor with a 16 bit address bus could address 32k bytes, a half byte (a nybble) at a time). The IBM PC's 8088 had an 8 bit data-bus and 20 address lines. But they called it a 16bit processor, to try to distinguish it from 8 bit processors like the 8080. Anyway, it was code compatible with the 8086, which really did have a 16bit data bus and 20 bit address bus. -- DaveA