Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.dougwise.org!gegeweb.org!de-l.enfer-du-nord.net!feeder2.enfer-du-nord.net!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed5.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.002 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'int': 0.05; 'terry': 0.07; 'type,': 0.07; 'python': 0.07; '3.x': 0.09; 'compares': 0.09; 'integers': 0.09; 'internally': 0.09; 'rejected.': 0.09; 'am,': 0.14; 'wrote:': 0.14; '1024': 0.16; '>>i': 0.16; 'reedy': 0.16; '\xa0in': 0.16; 'cc:no real name:2**0': 0.20; 'cc:2**0': 0.20; 'code': 0.22; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.22; 'mon,': 0.22; 'curious': 0.23; 'module,': 0.23; 'retaining': 0.23; "didn't": 0.25; "i'll": 0.26; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.28; 'changes': 0.29; 'probably': 0.30; 'up.': 0.30; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.31; 'kicks': 0.31; 'paul': 0.32; 'go.': 0.33; 'relatively': 0.33; 'bit': 0.33; 'uses': 0.34; 'there': 0.35; 'couple': 0.35; 'received:209.85.216.46': 0.35; 'received :mail-qw0-f46.google.com': 0.35; 'think': 0.36; 'considered': 0.36; 'data': 0.37; 'two': 0.37; 'received:209.85': 0.37; 'issue': 0.37; 'apr': 0.38; 'faster': 0.38; 'received:google.com': 0.38; 'but': 0.38; 'used': 0.38; 'focused': 0.39; 'realize': 0.39; 'could': 0.39; 'received:209': 0.39; 'how': 0.39; 'header:Received:5': 0.40; 'specialized': 0.60; '2011': 0.62; 'making': 0.62; 'believe': 0.66; 'grade': 0.84; 'terribly': 0.84 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Md7juwRDjSSlB7QXtTqjUrwK3UN7itUs+7CHucmk5as=; b=HySxvh6/PR5d8izTe5RrMtQZ8pqwSErZdVNrr/A5F/ImOhl5wYHjZz2Zzs6CLXZZUX jv7NnNePaa4aG58YiWwQEQVBwMZBnyabBFELW2ThFHkglwwjVSLNY5mzcz5iEQNjVUQs /XZ8sr7uB5YqCge/smzzk1QEqfuNsPN4RwIms= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=QZkNug3Nukus7BeZFHO0CFdoqCCXymI+b/m86BIt8ApmY8rGKRnjLX212mR+KkZiS9 KUIcAiVlBV+oHhnsa5KmBgiZoQfy4D8dsVhqfDU/6p7lsSrFPIvyfY8A72sEhmSOVpXK to0VYQ6SBfrNj48hXjpdTXq2k79L/f+oXF0oc= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <7xy63qpnrh.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com> Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 10:20:16 -0700 Subject: Re: integer multiplication From: geremy condra To: Terry Reedy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: python-list@python.org X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 32 NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.94.164.166 X-Trace: 1301937619 news.xs4all.nl 34849 [::ffff:82.94.164.166]:40553 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.python:2579 On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 9:41 AM, Terry Reedy wrote: > On 4/4/2011 1:51 AM, Paul Rubin wrote: > >> I didn't realize Python used Karatsuba. =A0The main issue is probably th= at >> Python uses a straightforward portable C implementation that's not >> terribly efficient, > > but relatively easy for a couple of people to maintain. For (C)Python 3, > which no longer has a C int type, I believe changes were focused on makin= g > calculations with small integers almost as fast as in 2.x. > > (I believe that retaining two implementations internally was considered b= ut > rejected. Could be wrong.) There are two implementations, grade school multiplication and karatsuba, which kicks in after a given cutoff. >>If you look for the gmpy module, it gives you a way to use gmp from >>Python. =A0In crypto code (lots of 1024 bit modular exponentials) I think >>I found gmpy to be around 4x faster than Python longs. > > For specialized use, specialized gmpy is the way to go. > > I am curious how gmpy compares to 3.x ints (longs) with small number > calculations like 3+5 or 3*5. I have this data somewhere, if you're interested I'll try to dredge it up. Geremy Condra