Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!xlned.com!feeder7.xlned.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.010 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.98; '*S*': 0.00; 'interpreter': 0.05; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'interpreter.': 0.07; 'cursor': 0.09; 'insertion': 0.09; 'spaces': 0.09; "wouldn't": 0.14; 'windows': 0.15; 'chris,': 0.16; 'expect,': 0.16; 'marker': 0.16; 'reproduce': 0.16; 'tab': 0.16; 'thursday,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'thu,': 0.19; 'command': 0.22; 'shell': 0.22; 'primary': 0.26; 'skip:" 20': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'tried': 0.27; 'chris': 0.29; 'character': 0.29; 'especially': 0.30; 'message- id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; 'file': 0.32; 'there.': 0.32; 'probably': 0.32; 'open': 0.33; 'actual': 0.34; 'editor': 0.35; 'johnson': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'idle': 0.36; 'useful': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'half': 0.37; 'area': 0.37; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'though,': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'space': 0.40; 'new': 0.61; 'times': 0.62; 'july': 0.63; 'yes': 0.68; 'default': 0.69; 'press': 0.70; 'jul': 0.74; '3.4': 0.84; 'rick': 0.93 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=DR3D6GomcwBhzFqx9AyMVTCnMCU3UWv1OPNqgyfSo+c=; b=ojDprjkBC6w/F5QuKHivs3JKDk5iLdyDmQ7J3v85IpyrMxtEsn1pIOcisDY6fe8k5a Ap+8QYL+pG9l7GhU07iAaRdlmbygdI1X0qGm7ayxeHQGaX3n8nB2mS4I9oIXiDVtNlZX WT7vLxxkLn4EXmMVrhTA/KzGKslbEeVfNM80LHpiJStc5r/bmkekg8Hi5Rex1doLDPdC MDCobTCBqQk93A3QBF3myvAXcNU/B2QV3sMHXQXlmtLEYAE6FYXOxANBgDTgHrrqMEBM 120HaKnh19KQFN6xavOw3koMYh4d+lKp0t3wSbqJbAr//cDNnv8iFHPHngJfMAyNgyTu lqAw== X-Received: by 10.69.17.230 with SMTP id gh6mr3125089pbd.0.1405671713449; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 01:21:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <5389cb53$0$29978$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <99b7b2a2-7521-42d7-a5a0-1a35d4d5b922@googlegroups.com> <53C4A454.9010600@gmail.com> <87zjga4j4v.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <53c57bae$0$9505$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <87iomy4ciy.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <53c5f6dc$0$9505$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <87egxl4zq8.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <53c73ff0$0$29897$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <9ef930a0-5a41-4a20-a13a-003c9e8246fe@googlegroups.com> From: Ian Kelly Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 02:21:13 -0600 Subject: Re: Python 3 is killing Python To: Python Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1405671722 news.xs4all.nl 2932 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:45621 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:74732 On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 9:37 PM, Rick Johnson wrote: > On Thursday, July 17, 2014 9:15:15 PM UTC-5, Chris Angelico wrote: >> For myself, though, I completely do not use the editor half of [IDLE]; but >> it's spectacularly useful (with limitations) as my primary interactive >> interpreter. > > Yes Chris, i also think that the IDLE shell is "spectacular" > when i'm using it, especially when i press > "CONTROL+LEFT_ARROW" and the insertion cursor lands *BEHIND* > the start of the interactive command marker " >>>", an > area where key presses are not allowed, so *NOW* I must press > "CONTROL+RIGHT_ARROW" three times to get to my destination! I just tried to reproduce this using IDLE 3.4 on Windows and was not able to. > I'm also just "gushing with exuberance" when i open a new > block and i get *EIGHT SPACE INDENTION*! In the file editor when I press Tab I get four spaces as I would expect, using the default configuration. In the interactive interpreter I get an actual tab character again as I would expect. That's probably as it should be since I wouldn't want to not be able to type a tab character there.