Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!xlned.com!feeder7.xlned.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.008 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.98; '*S*': 0.00; 'python,': 0.02; 'from:addr:yahoo.co.uk': 0.04; 'say,': 0.05; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'lawrence': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'sure,': 0.09; 'bug': 0.12; 'language.': 0.14; '*i*': 0.16; '*you*': 0.16; '2006,': 0.16; 'absence.': 0.16; 'although,': 0.16; 'choice,': 0.16; 'idle,': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:92.29': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'routinely': 0.16; 'stats': 0.16; 'thursday,': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'code.': 0.18; 'community,': 0.19; 'written': 0.21; '>>>': 0.22; 'community.': 0.22; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; '---': 0.24; 'source': 0.25; 'compare': 0.26; 'supported': 0.26; 'header:X -Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'on,': 0.29; 'comments': 0.31; 'quite': 0.32; 'worked': 0.33; 'community': 0.33; 'editor': 0.35; 'johnson': 0.35; 'idle': 0.36; 'venture': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'list': 0.37; 'thank': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'issue': 0.38; 'fact': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'how': 0.40; 'even': 0.60; 'everybody': 0.60; 'improved': 0.60; 'logged': 0.60; 'most': 0.60; 'free': 0.61; 'numbers': 0.61; 'viruses': 0.61; 'first': 0.61; 'you.': 0.62; 'back': 0.62; "you've": 0.63; 'protection': 0.63; 'july': 0.63; 'our': 0.64; 'telling': 0.64; 'hours': 0.66; 'due': 0.66; 'antivirus': 0.68; 'person.': 0.69; 'co.': 0.74; 'yourself': 0.78; 'heavy': 0.81; 'redeem': 0.84; 'day!': 0.85; 'dare': 0.91; 'poorly': 0.93; 'rick': 0.93 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Mark Lawrence Subject: Re: Python 3 is killing Python Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 08:34:14 +0100 References: <53C4A454.9010600@gmail.com> <87zjga4j4v.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <53c57bae$0$9505$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <87iomy4ciy.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <53c5f6dc$0$9505$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <87egxl4zq8.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <53c73ff0$0$29897$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <9ef930a0-5a41-4a20-a13a-003c9e8246fe@googlegroups.com> <87ha2f25bv.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: host-92-29-184-238.as13285.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 140717-1, 17/07/2014), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 52 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1405668878 news.xs4all.nl 2975 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:37370 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:74730 On 18/07/2014 03:24, Rick Johnson wrote: > On Thursday, July 17, 2014 1:44:20 PM UTC-5, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: >> Rick Johnson : >>> Sure, IDLE is not *useless*, however, it is in fact >>> woefully inadequate and should be embarrassing to the >>> whole community, both in it's buggy-ness and it's poorly >>> written source code. >> This is beneath trolling. Redeem yourself by apologizing. > > Apologize for what? > > For telling the truth? > > I have been using IDLE since around 2006, well at least, > that is as far back as i remember. When i first learned > Python, IDLE was my editor of choice, and i *STILL* use IDLE > to this very day! -- although not as much as i have written > my own IDE. > > I have logged thousands upon thousands of hours with IDLE, > how many hours have *YOU* logged? > > I would even venture to say, and the comments on this list > have supported my evidence for years, that i may be the > *SOLE* heavy user of IDLE in the *ENTIRE* community. > Although, i need to compare my stats with Terry because he > claims to use the software quite often also. > > If *ANYBODY* in this damn community has a *RIGHT* to > complain about IDLE, then *I* am that person. HOW DARE YOU > chastise me for voicing my grievances regarding a > software that *YOU* most likely have *NEVER*, or only > *SLIGHTLY*, used! > Please list for everybody to see the issue numbers that you've worked on, on IDLE, on the bug tracker. Thank you. I now routinely use IDLE as it has been so much improved due to the efforts of Terry & Co. You are conspicious by your absence. -- My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask what you can do for our language. Mark Lawrence --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com