Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.013 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.97; '*S*': 0.00; 'python.': 0.02; 'from:addr:yahoo.co.uk': 0.04; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'lawrence': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'gui': 0.12; 'language.': 0.14; '"private': 0.16; 'idle.': 0.16; 'imo,': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'example': 0.22; 'programming': 0.22; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; '---': 0.24; 'developers': 0.25; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'van': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'point': 0.28; 'am,': 0.29; 'expansion': 0.30; 'talent': 0.30; 'anyone': 0.31; 'core': 0.34; 'classes': 0.35; 'tool': 0.35; 'editor': 0.35; 'johnson': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'doubt': 0.36; 'idle': 0.36; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'major': 0.40; 'free': 0.61; 'viruses': 0.61; 'protection': 0.63; 'valuable': 0.63; 'our': 0.64; 'more': 0.64; 'teach': 0.65; 'production': 0.68; 'antivirus': 0.68; 'url:v': 0.71; 'url:youtube': 0.71; 'guaranteed': 0.75; 'url:watch': 0.77; 'boys': 0.84; 'imagine': 0.93; 'rick': 0.93; 'skip:y 40': 0.93 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Mark Lawrence Subject: Re: Python 3 is killing Python Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 21:37:31 +0100 References: <5389cb53$0$29978$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <99b7b2a2-7521-42d7-a5a0-1a35d4d5b922@googlegroups.com> <53C4A454.9010600@gmail.com> <87zjga4j4v.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <53c57bae$0$9505$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <87iomy4ciy.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <53c5f6dc$0$9505$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <87egxl4zq8.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <53c73ff0$0$29897$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <9ef930a0-5a41-4a20-a13a-003c9e8246fe@googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: host-78-146-6-204.as13285.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 140717-1, 17/07/2014), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 36 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1405629466 news.xs4all.nl 2939 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:48434 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:74689 On 17/07/2014 20:22, Emile van Sebille wrote: > On 7/17/2014 11:15 AM, Rick Johnson wrote: > >> Sadly, all of my calls to improve IDLE have been meet with >> rebukes about me "whining". The "powers that be" would wise >> to *UTILIZE* and *ENCOURAGE* my participation instead of >> *IGNORING* valuable talent and *IMPEDING* the expansion of >> this "private boys club". > > I imagine those that would be in a position to improve idle don't see > the point of it. IMO, idle was never intended as a production > development editor but more as an extensive example of gui programming > with python. Yes, you _can_ use it to edit, and there are nice python > hooks, but I doubt that anyone with the skills to enhance idle actually > uses idle. > > You-can-also-program-using-notepad-eeew-ly y'rs, > > Emile > Some of the top core developers teach classes using IDLE as it's the only tool guaranteed to be available on all the major platforms. You might also like to view this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1a4Jbjc-vU -- My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask what you can do for our language. Mark Lawrence --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com