Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.fsmpi.rwth-aachen.de!newsfeed0.kamp.net!newsfeed.kamp.net!feeder1.cambriumusenet.nl!feed.tweaknews.nl!194.109.133.87.MISMATCH!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.009 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.98; '*S*': 0.00; 'python.': 0.02; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'gui': 0.12; '"private': 0.16; 'idle.': 0.16; 'imo,': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'example': 0.22; 'programming': 0.22; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'header:X -Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'point': 0.28; 'am,': 0.29; 'expansion': 0.30; 'talent': 0.30; 'anyone': 0.31; 'editor': 0.35; 'johnson': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'doubt': 0.36; 'idle': 0.36; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'valuable': 0.63; 'more': 0.64; 'production': 0.68; 'received:12': 0.81; 'boys': 0.84; 'imagine': 0.93; 'rick': 0.93; 'skip:y 40': 0.93 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Emile van Sebille Subject: Re: Python 3 is killing Python Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 12:22:53 -0700 References: <5389cb53$0$29978$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <99b7b2a2-7521-42d7-a5a0-1a35d4d5b922@googlegroups.com> <53C4A454.9010600@gmail.com> <87zjga4j4v.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <53c57bae$0$9505$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <87iomy4ciy.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <53c5f6dc$0$9505$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <87egxl4zq8.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <53c73ff0$0$29897$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <9ef930a0-5a41-4a20-a13a-003c9e8246fe@googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: www.westernstatesglass.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1405624993 news.xs4all.nl 2859 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:41517 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:74680 On 7/17/2014 11:15 AM, Rick Johnson wrote: > Sadly, all of my calls to improve IDLE have been meet with > rebukes about me "whining". The "powers that be" would wise > to *UTILIZE* and *ENCOURAGE* my participation instead of > *IGNORING* valuable talent and *IMPEDING* the expansion of > this "private boys club". I imagine those that would be in a position to improve idle don't see the point of it. IMO, idle was never intended as a production development editor but more as an extensive example of gui programming with python. Yes, you _can_ use it to edit, and there are nice python hooks, but I doubt that anyone with the skills to enhance idle actually uses idle. You-can-also-program-using-notepad-eeew-ly y'rs, Emile