Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.015 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.97; '*S*': 0.00; 'from:addr:yahoo.co.uk': 0.04; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'lawrence': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'bug': 0.12; 'language.': 0.14; '"private': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'reedy': 0.16; 'url:peps': 0.16; 'thursday,': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'url:dev': 0.24; '---': 0.24; 'tracker': 0.26; 'header:X -Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'expansion': 0.30; 'strongly': 0.30; 'talent': 0.30; 'allows': 0.31; 'url:python': 0.33; 'johnson': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'idle': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'how': 0.40; 'logged': 0.60; 'free': 0.61; 'viruses': 0.61; 'times': 0.62; 'protection': 0.63; 'happen': 0.63; 'july': 0.63; 'valuable': 0.63; 'our': 0.64; 'antivirus': 0.68; 'improvements': 0.68; 'boys': 0.84; 'pouring': 0.84; 'rick': 0.93 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Mark Lawrence Subject: Re: Python 3 is killing Python Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 20:06:51 +0100 References: <5389cb53$0$29978$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <99b7b2a2-7521-42d7-a5a0-1a35d4d5b922@googlegroups.com> <53C4A454.9010600@gmail.com> <87zjga4j4v.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <53c57bae$0$9505$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <87iomy4ciy.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <53c5f6dc$0$9505$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <87egxl4zq8.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <53c73ff0$0$29897$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <9ef930a0-5a41-4a20-a13a-003c9e8246fe@googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: host-78-146-6-204.as13285.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 140717-1, 17/07/2014), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1405624031 news.xs4all.nl 2927 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:33568 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:74678 On 17/07/2014 19:15, Rick Johnson wrote: > On Thursday, July 17, 2014 5:12:23 AM UTC-5, Fabien wrote: > > Sadly, all of my calls to improve IDLE have been meet with > rebukes about me "whining". The "powers that be" would wise > to *UTILIZE* and *ENCOURAGE* my participation instead of > *IGNORING* valuable talent and *IMPEDING* the expansion of > this "private boys club". > Terry Reedy and Co have been pouring improvements into IDLE via the bug tracker for months if not years. How many times have you logged on there to help out? The background that allows this to happen http://legacy.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0434/. How strongly this contrasts with '*IGNORING* valuable talent and *IMPEDING* the expansion of this "private boys club"'. -- My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask what you can do for our language. Mark Lawrence --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com