Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.063 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.88; '*S*': 0.01; '"this': 0.03; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'oh,': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; '"private': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; '[1]': 0.29; 'am,': 0.29; 'expansion': 0.30; 'talent': 0.30; 'message- id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'everyone': 0.33; 'fri,': 0.33; 'something': 0.35; 'johnson': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; 'done,': 0.36; 'idle': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'sure': 0.39; 'simply': 0.61; 'valuable': 0.63; 'telling': 0.64; 'jul': 0.74; 'boys': 0.84; 'absolutely': 0.87; 'to:none': 0.92; 'rick': 0.93 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=kLJHfiGtme+KWvBpEppQrBgy0BYIjgYBR+eQgi/81ME=; b=DPlMu+rRMagVORatu7+t89FqUnuE7Ru0a/kw8BCWqx80K1NjMfORDCoH7zSUKpNEyJ jytPM8JrPfUsYtFi7K5vZZoFSDCf5W314fj8bIGvsahW/+HPpONXJsaJCp3NLuR4VGYE rJYr9Lfaq8JUA4hi05YX2uHCQXcbJogMuPjYPhbz/S4Tor7XZcbzWKDf0J97nSWssjOw 4nJD+8xWX9ruoCGf/8aNC1OqKd2Pz2XNVVCgKHCyOho4jUcZ9kjC6zr8PTkLlld2iqeF Wjb/zzViyHCuUL9qlJSu3oi4dzLXPmLn12QtHkRMUgsNbNNdQxz6GHmsv/txI2e81pM8 sZrA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.81.194 with SMTP id y2mr27691121vck.29.1405621648687; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 11:27:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <57ajo9poljjre4c4ig0n0ss8kph8k78lp0@4ax.com> <5389cb53$0$29978$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <99b7b2a2-7521-42d7-a5a0-1a35d4d5b922@googlegroups.com> <53C4A454.9010600@gmail.com> <87zjga4j4v.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <53c57bae$0$9505$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <87iomy4ciy.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <53c5f6dc$0$9505$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <87egxl4zq8.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <53c73ff0$0$29897$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <9ef930a0-5a41-4a20-a13a-003c9e8246fe@googlegroups.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 04:27:28 +1000 Subject: Re: Python 3 is killing Python From: Chris Angelico Cc: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1405621651 news.xs4all.nl 2946 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:55226 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:74667 On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 4:15 AM, Rick Johnson wrote: > Sadly, all of my calls to improve IDLE have been meet with > rebukes about me "whining". The "powers that be" would wise > to *UTILIZE* and *ENCOURAGE* my participation instead of > *IGNORING* valuable talent and *IMPEDING* the expansion of > this "private boys club". Do you write patches, or just say "This is terrible. Aorta do summing about it."? [1] If you want something done, the best way is to do it. Simply telling someone else what to do is not "participation" which should be "encourage[d]", but is indeed likely to be whining. Oh, and when you talk about it like this, you make everyone absolutely sure that it really IS just whining. ChrisA [1] http://www.textfiles.com/humor/strine.txt