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Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 19:08:30 -0700
Subject: Re: Python was designed (was Re: Multi-threading in Python vs Java)
From: Mark Janssen <dreamingforward@gmail.com>
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>> It's like this.  No matter how you cut it, you're going to get back to
>> the computers where you load instructions with switches.  At that point,
>> I'll be very much looking in anticipation to your binary-digit lexer.
>
> Why stop there? If you go back far enough, you've got Babbage with his
> Analytical Engine and his laboriously hand-cast analog gears.

And there you bring up the heart of it:  the confusion in computer
science.  thank you.  Babbage's differential engine is not doing
*computation* , it is doing *physics*.  We must draw a line somewhere,
because the digital realm in the machine is so entirely separate from
the physics (and even the physical hardware), that I could make a
whole other universe that does not conform to it.  It is a whole other
ModelOfComputation.

Q.E.D.  (Who else is going to have to eat a floppy disk here?)

> Relevant:
>
> http://www.xkcd.com/451/

*winks*.  BTW, all this regarding "models of computation" and such is
relevant to the discussion only because of one thing:  I like python.
I will leave that vague response for a later exercise after I get an
invite from a University (MIT?) to head their Computer Engineering
department.

Cheers,

Mark