Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!dedibox.gegeweb.org!gegeweb.eu!nntpfeed.proxad.net!proxad.net!feeder1-2.proxad.net!usenet-fr.net!nerim.net!novso.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.050 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.90; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:Python': 0.06; '*not*': 0.07; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'python': 0.11; 'thread': 0.14; "wouldn't": 0.14; 'callable': 0.16; 'cc:name:python list': 0.16; 'janssen': 0.16; 'really?': 0.16; 'subject:Java': 0.16; 'typeerror:': 0.16; 'pushed': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'thu,': 0.19; '>>>': 0.22; 'example': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'error': 0.23; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'suggested': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'idea': 0.28; 'points': 0.29; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; '>>>>': 0.31; 'existence': 0.31; 'up.': 0.33; 'subject: (': 0.35; 'definition': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'should': 0.36; 'thank': 0.38; 'bringing': 0.38; 'skip:[ 10': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'bad': 0.39; 'how': 0.40; 'read': 0.60; 'first': 0.61; 'back': 0.62; 'interest': 0.64; '(that': 0.65; '01:57': 0.84; 'back?': 0.84; 'batchelder': 0.84; 'ethan': 0.84; 'furman': 0.84; 'valid)': 0.84; 'magical': 0.91; 'washington': 0.93; '2013': 0.98 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=/KiZYNVYpMrBdidWElmRXadgXKdiIkZwtXIcbI5Th8A=; b=FyucR0xVDwPELnNh6MOcBzSnWqgtEyntdEeLWbQwuQ3IbVrgzl3WJtz/xgNaXMSYl8 xVzcJXY7X9zYH8thuuZzUQWSaNfImutvhG6IT709lXYwAjgLdMq+RfsRThYH7uUig3qA bYmPYcaAGtE24Vt6z0KrNSBEb0P8InosxCev5axYLRNawZhEw5wCQNmgAmBfjGPZATED RhwW+OqMtG51K4TWlKHzU9bYX/d2KG0mR+24v5zxyfVZ1sVAjbrp2gtuCcI1toBNjrLw FEmEFqzKFamEWi+IKpqSQ/w3NIE7/wTECQyvp1TgnT+gY5t7ecPVunLYM4lJkDVnuQJ5 toAg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.13.174 with SMTP id i14mr697365wic.49.1382061547311; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 18:59:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5260606F.2020105@stoneleaf.us> References: <52604F51.5040001@nedbatchelder.com> <5260606F.2020105@stoneleaf.us> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 18:59:07 -0700 Subject: Re: Python was designed (was Re: Multi-threading in Python vs Java) From: Mark Janssen To: Ethan Furman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Python List X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 39 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1382061555 news.xs4all.nl 15956 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:53875 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:57013 On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 3:10 PM, Ethan Furman wrote: > On 10/17/2013 01:57 PM, Ned Batchelder wrote: >> >> >> Read and listen more. Write and say less. > > > Mark Janssen has no interest in learning. From a thread long-ago: > > Mark Janssen wrote: >> >> Ethan Furman wrote: >>> >>> Mark Janssen wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Really? >>>> >>>> --> int="five" >>>> --> [int(i) for i in ["1","2","3"]] >>>> >>>> TypeError: str is not callable >>>> >>>> Now how are you going to get the original int type back? >>> Thank you for bringing this back up. Was it you who suggested that built-in are re-assignable? Because this is a bad idea for the reasons I just showed. My error in that example was going into arcane points that I should have cross-checked in the Python language definition (that built-ins were or were *not* assignable), then I wouldn't have had to have made my (otherwise valid) point, that there is no magical "stack" which will remember your language re-assignment so that you can get it back, but then the example should have never been pushed into existence in the first place. -- MarkJ Tacoma, Washington