Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!news.albasani.net!rt.uk.eu.org!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.018 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.96; '*S*': 0.00; 'messages.': 0.05; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'block;': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'begging': 0.16; 'finney': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'sane': 0.16; 'solution.': 0.20; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; '(or': 0.24; 'define': 0.26; 'least': 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints- To:1': 0.27; 'correct': 0.29; 'chris': 0.29; "i'm": 0.30; 'getting': 0.31; 'convince': 0.31; 'quotes': 0.31; 'writes:': 0.31; 'running': 0.33; 'guess': 0.33; 'problem': 0.35; 'no,': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'useful': 0.36; 'responsible': 0.36; 'implement': 0.38; 'ben': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'generating': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'forum': 0.61; 'first': 0.61; 'information': 0.63; 'our': 0.64; 'skip:\xe2 10': 0.65; '8bit%:43': 0.74; 'received:125': 0.84; 'mistake': 0.91; 'mr.': 0.98 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Ben Finney Subject: Re: Python 3 is killing Python Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 14:17:02 +1000 References: <5389cb53$0$29978$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <99b7b2a2-7521-42d7-a5a0-1a35d4d5b922@googlegroups.com> <53C4A454.9010600@gmail.com> <87zjga4j4v.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <53C5DC04.9070600@mrabarnett.plus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: jigong.madmonks.org X-Public-Key-ID: 0xAC128405 X-Public-Key-Fingerprint: 517C F14B B2F3 98B0 CB35 4855 B8B2 4C06 AC12 8405 X-Public-Key-URL: http://www.benfinney.id.au/contact/bfinney-pubkey.asc X-Post-From: Ben Finney User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.4 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:6DmNkYmlfpKAB4qyAaDEDxK9gqM= X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1405570637 news.xs4all.nl 2893 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:60277 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:74611 Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick writes: > Also, the correct solution for all those is getting a sane client that > can hide quotes and signatures. No, there is often useful (or at least interesting) information in a message signature block; the problem is with *some* of them, not all of them. And the problem is that one message presents obnoxious crap to every reader; suggesting that the recipient is the one responsible for avoiding obnoxious behaviour in a public forum is a mistake of ethics. The correct solution to obnoxious crap boilerplate in messages is for the sender to take action to stop generating obnoxious crap boilerplate in messages. And our job is to convince them to implement that solution. -- \ “If you define cowardice as running away at the first sign of | `\ danger, screaming and tripping and begging for mercy, then yes, | _o__) Mr. Brave man, I guess I'm a coward.” —Jack Handey | Ben Finney