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From: Jason Swails To: Mark Lawrence Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11332a2e12dfcc04fe5a9e45 Cc: python list X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 111 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1405565067 news.xs4all.nl 2882 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:47161 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:74597 --001a11332a2e12dfcc04fe5a9e45 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 1:27 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote: > > The difference between our most illustrious resident unicode expert and rr > is that the former has only said anything of use once, whereas the latter > does know about tkinter/IDLE. rr doesn't show up that often, the MIRUC has > been spewing his mistruths for nearly two years and IMHO should have been > booted into touch a long time ago. "Know about" is awfully vague. Start with 5 things: 1) A browser opened to effbot 2) An open python interpreter 3) A willingness to build widgets and widget collections as Frame subclasses 4) A willingness to fingerpaint with Canvas objects to create custom widgets 5) A useful(ish) program to write Within a couple hours I learned everything I later saw in all of rr's Tkinter posts, albeit without the irrelevant condescension. (I've written 3 Tkinter-based GUIs, all simple... I'm no expert with it.) But that's quite beside the point. When rr says something 'useful' about using Python, he probably doesn't need to be corrected. When he doesn't, it's often incoherent verbiage with big words, flashy/illogical/outrageous comparisons, and ad hominem attacks aimed at everyone that's disagreed with him on the interwebs. While I occasionally found it satisfying to fire back and bask in my own logical and moral superiority, the little corner of my life I devote to python-list is far more peaceful and fulfilling (not to mention productive) now. One last opinion before I sign off on this thread, I make an active effort to attach my name to useful contributions on the web and cut down on the useless. I don't want my name associated with the idea "a lot of what he sends is useless ranting or useless retaliation thereof". With the volume of material available on the web, I try to be careful not to make a poor impression with anything I author (although that is unavoidable sometimes). All the best, Jason P.S. And nobody will think you're just like if you don't bite back in a public forum. --001a11332a2e12dfcc04fe5a9e45 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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On Wed, Jul 16, = 2014 at 1:27 PM, Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

The difference between our most illustrious resident unicode expert and rr = is that the former has only said anything of use once, whereas the latter d= oes know about tkinter/IDLE. =C2=A0rr doesn't show up that often, the M= IRUC has been spewing his mistruths for nearly two years and IMHO should ha= ve been booted into touch a long time ago.

&quo= t;Know about" is awfully vague. =C2=A0Start with 5 things:

1) A browser opened to effbot
2) An open python interpreter
3) A willingness to build widgets and widge= t collections as Frame subclasses
4) A willingness to= fingerpaint with Canvas objects to create custom widgets
5) A useful(ish) program to w= rite

Within a couple hours I lear= ned everything I later saw in all of rr's Tkinter posts, albeit without= the irrelevant condescension. (I've written 3 Tkinter-based GUIs, all = simple... I'm no expert with it.)

But that's quite beside = the point. =C2=A0When rr says something 'useful' about using Python= , he probably doesn't need to be corrected. =C2=A0When he doesn't, = it's often incoherent verbiage with big words, flashy/illogical/outrage= ous comparisons, and ad hominem attacks aimed at everyone that's disagr= eed with him on the interwebs. =C2=A0While I occasionally found it satisfyi= ng to fire back and bask in my own logical and moral superiority, the littl= e corner of my life I devote to python-list is far more peaceful and fulfil= ling (not to mention productive) now.

One last opinion before I si= gn off on this thread, I make an active effort to attach my name to useful = contributions on the web and cut down on the useless. =C2=A0I don't wan= t my name associated with the idea "a lot of what he sends is useless = ranting or useless retaliation thereof". =C2=A0With the volume of mate= rial available on the web, I try to be careful not to make a poor impressio= n with anything I author (although that is unavoidable sometimes).

All the best,
Jason

P.S. And = nobody will think you're just like <insert troll here> if you don= 't bite back in a public forum.
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