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From: Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: HELP!! How to ask a girl out with a simple witty Python code??
Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2015 16:35:25 +0000
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On 06/03/2015 11:53, alister wrote:
> On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 14:23:22 +1100, Ben Finney wrote:
>
>>
>> No. I'm saying that it's clear the person saying “get their panties all
>> up in a bunch” fully intends to convey specifically *female* underwear,
>> and thereby to use implied femininity as an insult.
>>
>> Yes, of course I know some people who aren't female wear panties. Yes,
>> of course I know some women wear underwear that isn't panties. Don't try
>> to change the topic with absurd logical extremes that I didn't raise.
>>
>> I'm talking about the implication of the comment as a gendered insult.
>>
>>> It's only gender specific if you accept the sexist gendered stereotype
>>> that all women are by definition thin-skinned and excessively
>>> sensitive.
>>
>> Bullshit. I said nothing about the sensitivity of anyone. Individual
>> women you may know – even *all* women, everywhere – could be as tough as
>> nails, and it doesn't address the point I'm raising.
>>
>> Whether any particular woman is targeted or not, the comment I'm
>> responding to invokes female gender as an implied insult. That's
>> unwelcoming to women, and I don't want such unwelcoming attitudes in
>> this community.
>
> I have not seen one female poster on this site claim to be offended by
> the comment or even consider it to be a slur.
>
> I doubt that the original poster of the comment intended it to be either
> & most people reading it would have known that (regardless of their
> gender)
>
> one thing i personally find offensive is when someone raises an issue on
> someone else's behalf because they THINK they MIGHT get offended without
> bothering to check.
>
> I am not female so this particular instance does not relate to me but an
> example from a few years ago was when a popular UK soap made an extreme
> effort not to show a cross or Christmas tree during a church wedding in
> case it "offended not-Christians".
>
> I am a non-Christian & found that decision offensive.
>

When a UK TV station showed the Dam Busters film some years ago and 
edited out the part about the burial of Guy Gibson's dog, I wasn't 
offended, I was downright livid.  How dare they distort history in an 
attempt to avoid offending people.

-- 
My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask
what you can do for our language.

Mark Lawrence