Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.043 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.91; '*S*': 0.00; '"this': 0.03; '16,': 0.03; 'mrab': 0.05; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'defaults': 0.07; 'utf-8': 0.07; 'pointless': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'argument:': 0.16; 'footnote': 0.16; 'nowadays': 0.16; 'people:': 0.16; 'sane': 0.16; 'folks': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'wed,': 0.18; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'mobile,': 0.24; 'parse': 0.24; '(or': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'cc:no real name:2**0': 0.24; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'correct': 0.29; 'chris': 0.29; 'am,': 0.29; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; '(which': 0.31; 'getting': 0.31; 'lines': 0.31; '$100': 0.31; 'fixing': 0.31; 'quotes': 0.31; 'though.': 0.31; 'says': 0.33; 'sense': 0.34; 'johnson': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'doing': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'wrong': 0.37; 'being': 0.38; 'gmail': 0.38; 'little': 0.38; 'delete': 0.39; 'how': 0.40; 'even': 0.60; 'from:charset:utf-8': 0.61; "you're": 0.61; 'first': 0.61; 'information': 0.63; 'more': 0.64; 'great': 0.65; 'skip:\xe2 10': 0.65; 'corporate': 0.67; 'department.': 0.68; 'legal': 0.71; 'online': 0.71; '8bit%:43': 0.74; 'jul': 0.74; 'touch': 0.74; 'click': 0.77; '2014,': 0.84; '99.9%': 0.84; 'forced': 0.84; 'it\xe2\x80\x99s': 0.84; 'you\xe2\x80\x99re': 0.91; 'rick': 0.93 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=3Oenf1onMPnIn0GbXJhF8L2Itd2F1X0qW69bDpnjUQ8=; b=sKa+dDZnsuak91MpPhQYGsIMgOOpLZJ+8LGHfHmCCX2nb8fzK4KN645I1UTAYZfcS2 u3odpGDu0Rb/3UL8giAS/PrpUVAo9mfAS0avpVRvkBc+Ry8ty/SIiEr33nF1tloU2c/b 7kJv7W4rEy/ovSALUBqzihFYeRBe7CUd6X8z/pozKrT/zO1ImajzzuPlGOJ4YYKRxMNh nWfUjK1oNZvc602ycrF/nMciZh2HklFXaJQ8YFpyRIMyAQRXiIHEkCuuxcHOyYsBSQ9n xSGRH/oLBi9G+I/W1slOTBZpPQafdnXi2fCW3R4sNq6TZrePAYt0jRwjK6JwrDJD1U2Z qJCw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.42.67.203 with SMTP id u11mr37774164ici.20.1405506044382; Wed, 16 Jul 2014 03:20:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <53C5DC04.9070600@mrabarnett.plus.com> References: <57ajo9poljjre4c4ig0n0ss8kph8k78lp0@4ax.com> <5389cb53$0$29978$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <99b7b2a2-7521-42d7-a5a0-1a35d4d5b922@googlegroups.com> <53C4A454.9010600@gmail.com> <87zjga4j4v.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <53C5DC04.9070600@mrabarnett.plus.com> Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 12:20:44 +0200 Subject: Re: Python 3 is killing Python From: =?UTF-8?B?Q2hyaXMg4oCcS3dwb2xza2HigJ0gV2Fycmljaw==?= To: MRAB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: python-list@python.org X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 41 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1405506053 news.xs4all.nl 2947 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:48904 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:74545 A little more off-topic: On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 3:57 AM, MRAB wrote: > On 2014-07-16 00:53, Rick Johnson wrote: >> Some folks even have software that "blabs" about how great a job it >> is doing [=E2=80=A6], so if you see [=E2=80=A6] some pretentious line >> about "this was sent from my i-phone" -- send that crap to the >> bitbucket! >> > "This was sent from my iPhone" =3D=3D "I have an iPhone!" I personally parse those lines as =E2=80=9Csent from my iPhone, which has a= n on-screen touch keyboard, and it=E2=80=99s harder to type on it=E2=80=9D. > Also annoying is some footnote that says that the email contains > confidential information and that if you're not the intended recipient > you should delete it, etc. > > That's somewhat pointless if it's being sent to a public forum! Corporate lawyers for the win! 99.9% of people who send e-mail with this line are forced to do so by their corporation=E2=80=99s legal departme= nt. Also, the correct solution for all those is getting a sane client that can hide quotes and signatures. Like Gmail (which defaults to top-posting, but fixing this is one click per message away*). And if someone brings the =E2=80=9Cpeople need to download it anyway=E2=80=9D argu= ment: it=E2=80=99s 2014, people: hard-drives are large nowadays (or you can just use IMAP) and if you=E2=80=99re paying $100 per kilobyte, you=E2=80=99re doing = it wrong and should not be online in the first place. * trickier on mobile, though. --=20 Chris =E2=80=9CKwpolska=E2=80=9D Warrick PGP: 5EAAEA16 stop html mail | always bottom-post | only UTF-8 makes sense