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Or figments of the imagination of Baghdad Bob. Now, maybe return to Python? /martin On 15 Jul 2014, Rick Johnson wrote: >On Monday, July 14, 2014 9:11:47 PM UTC-5, Chris Angelico wrote: >> I dunno. It's not like Great Britain, Australia, or New >> Zealand did anything significant in either war, is it. > >Most of Europe occupied, London bombed into the stone age; >things were looking grim Chris! Maybe you should read up on >some WW2 history, it's quite humbling to think what *could* >have happened. > >> Some people in Australia are still racist, but racism is >> nothing like the problem it is in America, where you boast >> so much of equality. > >Where do you get your info about America, from CNN? And for >someone who is a self-described "Aussie" you sure seem to >know more about Americans than Americans know about >themselves... hmm, another enigma! > >Chris, one thing you need to understand about America is >that a whole grievance industry exists to perpetuate hate. >And sadly, most Americans are too stupid to realize this. > >You see, a divided people are not going to cause the rulers >any troubles because they are too busy fighting amongst >themselves -- the same effect is employed in prison >populations to protect the guards. > >In ancient Rome, the Caesars used games and bread to control >the masses, today, they use the grievance industry and, for >the complete moronic zombies, sporting events. > >All "isms" and social problems just boil down to hate. And >since you can never remove hate from the heart of man, you >will *NEVER* solve these issues. The best you can hope for >is to reduce the levels a bit via "intelligent interventions". > >So in short, none of these issues will ever be solved until >people realize who the real enemy is -> themselves. > > MIRROR, MIRROR, ON THE WALL, WHO'S THE MOST JUDGMENTAL > OF THEM ALL? > >============================================================ > The origins of xenophobia: >============================================================ > >In order to defeat our own hatred of others, we must >circumvent our per-programmed primal fears, which is not >easy to do, and while these fears play a vital survival role >in *early* development of both the *individuals* of a group >AND the group itself, in modern times, these fears have >become a crutch preventing humans from evolving socially. > > HENCE THE GRIEVANCE INDUSTRY PERPETRATED BY A MEDIA > CIRCUS THAT WILL DO ANYTHING TO GET RATINGS! > > ==================== > THOUGHT EXPERIMENT > ==================== > > Imagine your a small kitten: innocent, carefree, and full > of curiosity! You love exploring the world, stuffing > yourself into boxes, climbing to high places, and chasing > balls of strings -- ah what a life! > > You see your siblings and notice they have fur like you , > and whiskers like you, and paws and tails and blah like > you. And you are comfortable because these other > "lifeforms" resemble you, and so you consider them to be > "safe". > > Then one day, whilst frolicking in the backyard, you see a > glimmer from under a log, ooh, whats this you ask > rhetorically...? > > So you get closer to inspect, and you see two eyes, and > you think, hmm, it has two eyes just like my bothers and > sisters so it must be safe...! > > And so you get yet closer, but just then you start to > notice some differences, whoa, this thing has no fur, it > has no paws, and no whiskers, and it has strange patterns > on it's back and it's making a rattling noise, oh well, no > need to let fear get in my way, i'll just go over and > introduce myself... AND THAT WAS THE END OF "FLUFFY THE > KITTEN"! > > MEOW! > >You see, since hate is merely an extrapolation of >xenophobia, which is itself a per-programmed reflex utilized >unconsciously to protect an organism from self destruction >via *utter* ignorance of dangerous predators, we are >fighting a losing battle when we expect the vast majority of >earths "intelligent" inhabitants, of which most are >zombie-fied *idiots*, to violate their own source code. > > JUST GO GRAB A BEER AND WATCH THE GAME YOU BEER-BELLIED FOOL! > >PS: That was a "general" you, not to be taken as a literal >statement to Chris. -- Sent with K-@ Mail - the evolution of emailing. ------1GJ5384F5LUDMOPLWUI11YBIVLX1ME Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Yes, we all know that Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo, school shootings and the lack of proper health care for all are the pinnacle of US culture. Or figments of the imagination of Baghdad Bob.

Now, maybe return to Python?

/martin

On 15 Jul 2014, Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, July 14, 2014 9:11:47 PM UTC-5, Chris Angelico wrote:
I dunno. It's not like Great Britain, Australia, or New
Zealand did anything significant in either war, is it.

Most of Europe occupied, London bombed into the stone age;
things were looking grim Chris! Maybe you should read up on
some WW2 history, it's quite humbling to think what *could*
have happened.

Some people in Australia are still racist, but racism is
nothing like the problem it is in America, where you boast
so much of equality.

Where do you get your info about America, from CNN? And for
someone who is a self-described "Aussie" you sure seem to
know more about Americans than Americans know about
themselves... hmm, another enigma!

Chris, one thing you need to understand about America is
that a whole grievance industry exists to perpetuate hate.
And sadly, most Americans are too stupid to realize this.

You see, a divided people are not going to cause the rulers
any troubles because they are too busy fighting amongst
themselves -- the same effect is employed in prison
populations to protect the guards.

In ancient Rome, the Caesars used games and bread to control
the masses, today, they use the grievance industry and, for
the complete moronic zombies, sporting events.

All "isms" and social problems just boil down to hate. And
since you can never remove hate from the heart of man, you
will *NEVER* solve these issues. The best you can hope for
is to reduce the levels a bit via "intelligent interventions".

So in short, none of these issues will ever be solved until
people realize who the real enemy is -> themselves.

MIRROR, MIRROR, ON THE WALL, WHO'S THE MOST JUDGMENTAL
OF THEM ALL?


The origins of xenophobia:


In order to defeat our own hatred of others, we must
circumvent our per-programmed primal fears, which is not
easy to do, and while these fears play a vital survival role
in *early* development of both the *individuals* of a group
AND the group itself, in modern times, these fears have
become a crutch preventing humans from evolving socially.

HENCE THE GRIEVANCE INDUSTRY PERPETRATED BY A MEDIA
CIRCUS THAT WILL DO ANYTHING TO GET RATINGS!

====================
THOUGHT EXPERIMENT
====================

Imagine your a small kitten: innocent, carefree, and full
of curiosity! You love exploring the world, stuffing
yourself into boxes, climbing to high places, and chasing
balls of strings -- ah what a life!

You see your siblings and notice they have fur like you ,
and whiskers like you, and paws and tails and blah like
you. And you are comfortable because these other
"lifeforms" resemble you, and so you consider them to be
"safe".

Then one day, whilst frolicking in the backyard, you see a
glimmer from under a log, ooh, whats this you ask
rhetorically...?

So you get closer to inspect, and you see two eyes, and
you think, hmm, it has two eyes just like my bothers and
sisters so it must be safe...!

And so you get yet closer, but just then you start to
notice some differences, whoa, this thing has no fur, it
has no paws, and no whiskers, and it has strange patterns
on it's back and it's making a rattling noise, oh well, no
need to let fear get in my way, i'll just go over and
introduce myself... AND THAT WAS THE END OF "FLUFFY THE
KITTEN"!

MEOW!

You see, since hate is merely an extrapolation of
xenophobia, which is itself a per-programmed reflex utilized
unconsciously to protect an organism from self destruction
via *utter* ignorance of dangerous predators, we are
fighting a losing battle when we expect the vast majority of
earths "intelligent" inhabitants, of which most are
zombie-fied *idiots*, to violate their own source code.

JUST GO GRAB A BEER AND WATCH THE GAME YOU BEER-BELLIED FOOL!

PS: That was a "general" you, not to be taken as a literal
statement to Chris.

-- Sent with K-@ Mail - the evolution of emailing. ------1GJ5384F5LUDMOPLWUI11YBIVLX1ME--