Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!feeder.news-service.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed6.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.000 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:Python': 0.04; 'wed,': 0.04; 'pointer': 0.05; 'compiler': 0.07; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229.12': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'received:lo.gmane.org': 0.09; 'referenced': 0.09; 'programmer': 0.11; 'bieber': 0.16; 'compiler,': 0.16; 'declaimed': 0.16; 'definition,': 0.16; 'email addr:ix.netcom.com': 0.16; 'email name:wlfraed': 0.16; 'from:addr:ix.netcom.com': 0.16; 'from:addr:wlfraed': 0.16; 'from:name:dennis lee bieber': 0.16; 'received:66.245': 0.16; 'received:dsl.mindspring.com': 0.16; 'received:mindspring.com': 0.16; 'received:wlfraed': 0.16; 'url:netcom': 0.16; 'url:wlfraed': 0.16; 'wulfraed': 0.16; 'lee': 0.22; 'url:home': 0.25; 'subject:data': 0.26; 'subject:?': 0.29; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.32; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.34; 'subject:What': 0.35; 'subject:use': 0.35; 'charset:us-ascii': 0.36; 'data': 0.37; 'received:org': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'header:Mime-Version:1': 0.39; 'header:Received:5': 0.40; 'address': 0.61; '2011': 0.62; 'dennis': 0.68; 'address,': 0.68; 'subject:other': 0.84; 'address;': 0.91 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Dennis Lee Bieber Subject: Re: What other languages use the same data model as Python? Date: Wed, 04 May 2011 22:10:50 -0700 Organization: > Bestiaria Support Staff < References: <4dbd1dbf$0$29991$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <77f64071-b288-404c-8280-b2c61ba77f06@n10g2000yqf.googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: user-11fa9lk.dsl.mindspring.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 3.3/32.846 X-No-Archive: YES X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.94.164.166 X-Trace: 1304572265 news.xs4all.nl 81476 [::ffff:82.94.164.166]:44395 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.python:4696 On Wed, 04 May 2011 14:33:34 -0500, harrismh777 declaimed the following in gmane.comp.python.general: > We do not consider passing a pointer as *by value* because its an > address; by definition, that is pass-by-reference. We are not passing To most of the world, pass-by-reference means the COMPILER, not the PROGRAMMER is obtaining and passing the address, and the compiler also always dereferences the passed "value"... The programmer has no control over whether to operate on the address or the data referenced by the address. -- Wulfraed Dennis Lee Bieber AF6VN wlfraed@ix.netcom.com HTTP://wlfraed.home.netcom.com/