Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!xlned.com!feeder3.xlned.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.041 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.92; '*S*': 0.00; 'python,': 0.02; 'mrab': 0.05; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'highlighting': 0.09; 'idea?': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'python': 0.11; 'language.': 0.14; '*must*': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'merely': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'closely': 0.24; 'fine': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; "i've": 0.25; '15,': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply- To:1': 0.27; 'am,': 0.29; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; 'stands': 0.31; 'view.': 0.31; 'withdraw': 0.31; 'open': 0.33; 'monday,': 0.33; 'role': 0.34; "i'd": 0.34; 'display': 0.35; 'johnson': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; '14,': 0.36; 'like,': 0.36; 'park': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'half': 0.37; 'too': 0.37; 'driving': 0.38; 'whatever': 0.38; 'july': 0.63; 'school': 0.64; 'entitled': 0.65; 'between': 0.67; 'wish': 0.70; 'jul': 0.74; 'life.': 0.83; 'people"': 0.84; 'short,': 0.84; 'superiority': 0.84; 'visit,': 0.84; 'to:none': 0.92; 'angry': 0.93; 'employ': 0.93; 'rick': 0.93 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=0rdP8lVYnC4WVereO5EDw0cUs39NygYpCQDSPdlDUT0=; b=MLZtkWIgaOYOmdPS0/mZlfBj77IHbac9m/XbcuBRmhcaRfrUwddfbrY9adATQpf1wk frBej71QDiCZNhlORvDFDyqJ1prO5vYOAlFpW9dDAt1LlY59xocoez+WxDtJAGOn3Ciy 6vW75+UZq5QpbhVcQOyNuDY9tI2BqPwobzcB+IZ2w+nEUAfbkieWT1BiIyAc/RTobj+d AIQPrZz5xCqf//wSVQniAgoUBTtMUYiSMZ5Lp3z/uzlC0aYQmG1ynGnL0tpFFNedNgqS IlVXS1HScLZ0MCysAjbn/8jWkMc/IsD9AmuDSO6v5MrlKGV6SIxlaGpvdRIx7yl00li/ KO3A== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.58.150.136 with SMTP id ui8mr19589745veb.14.1405387088063; Mon, 14 Jul 2014 18:18:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <48e22633-0779-44cc-945a-8238ea9be77c@googlegroups.com> References: <7xha49wumw.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com> <48e22633-0779-44cc-945a-8238ea9be77c@googlegroups.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2014 11:18:07 +1000 Subject: Re: Python 3 is killing Python From: Chris Angelico Cc: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 33 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1405387097 news.xs4all.nl 2927 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:34874 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:74453 On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 11:00 AM, Rick Johnson wrote: > On Monday, July 14, 2014 5:47:14 PM UTC-5, MRAB wrote: >> Why it should "they" withdraw it (whatever that means)? >> "They" are entitled to keep it public if they want to. > > I'm not suggesting they *must* withdraw Python, I'm only > suggesting that IF they wish to *prevent* dissent or scrutiny, > then the only remedy they can employ is to "withdraw" the > language from public view. Python 3 stands up just fine to scrutiny, and dissent is a normal part of life. > I'm merely highlighting the difference between public and > private property. Python is currently public property, and > just as a public park is open to whoever wishes to visit, so > too is the the Python language. Python is not public property. Whatever gave you that idea? > I've seen this "vulgar display of animosity" before, > predominately in short, angry white women driving > "Scandinavian armored personnel carriers" (aka: Volvo), with > closely trimmed eyebrows, and beaming scowls of superiority > down on the "little people" as she transports her "honor > role student" to school at twenty miles below the speed > limit! Wow. There is just so much US-centrism in that paragraph... I don't understand half of it half as well as I'd like, and I like less than half of it half as well as it deserves. ChrisA