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From: Dotan Cohen To: xahlee@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: python-list@python.org X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 59 NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.94.164.166 X-Trace: 1308400535 news.xs4all.nl 49048 [::ffff:82.94.164.166]:36424 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.python:7903 On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 14:40, Xah Lee wrote: > very nice review! and on geekhack.org too =E2=80=94 the hardcore keyboard= mod site! > I enjoyed reading it. > Yes, that is some forum! Wait until I post my mods. You've never seen such abused input devices, I hope. > i only started to use linux this month, from 10 years hiatus. First > thing to do there is remap keys to the way i like of course. But am > not familiar on how-to there. Seems xmodmap is becoming obsolete and > XKB is in place. There's a couple nice sites about XKB but havn't had > a chance to study them yet. XKB is pretty configurable but some stuff is not well documented. Here are some of my bookmarked resources, to get you started: // Making new layouts http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Altering_or_Creating_Keyboard_Maps http://www.x.org/wiki/XKB http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/XKeyboardConfig http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Configuring_keyboards http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Background:_How_keyboards_work http://www.xfree86.org/4.2.0/xmodmap.1.html // Enabling multimedia keys (also useful for the former) http://abesto.host22.com/2009/04/microsoft-ergonomic-4000-and-linux.html http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Microsoft_Natural_Ergonomic_Keyboard_4000 https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KDEMultimediaKeys http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/keys.html http://cweiske.de/howto/xmodmap/allinone.html http://linux.die.net/man/8/setkeycodes http://rick.vanrein.org/linux/funkey/ http://juliano.info/en/Blog:Memory_Leak/Linux,_KDE:_Mapping_functions_to_ex= tra_keys http://linux.playofmind.net/extra_keys/ http://dev-loki.blogspot.com/2006/04/mapping-unsupported-keys-with-xmodmap.= html And as I know you to be an Emac man: https://github.com/r0adrunner/Space2Ctrl > May i ask you a few questions down the > road? (maybe we can add each other on google talk or some social > network) > Sure, I'll email you from my personal email account soon. But after a few more hours, I won't be available until late July. --=20 Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com