Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!gegeweb.org!de-l.enfer-du-nord.net!feeder1.enfer-du-nord.net!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed6.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.000 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; '21,': 0.07; 'tarek': 0.07; 'python': 0.09; 'friday,': 0.09; 'git': 0.09; "person's": 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'runtime': 0.09; 'sep': 0.09; 'subject:Does': 0.09; 'subject:command': 0.09; 'terry': 0.09; 'useless': 0.09; 'template': 0.11; 'subject:python': 0.11; 'assume': 0.11; 'library': 0.15; '11:59': 0.16; 'add,': 0.16; 'also:': 0.16; 'batteries': 0.16; 'distinction': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'reedy': 0.16; 'scratch': 0.16; 'should.': 0.16; 'ziad\xc3\xa9': 0.16; 'developers,': 0.16; 'users.': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; '"you': 0.17; 'resolved': 0.17; 'jan': 0.18; '>>>': 0.18; 'long,': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.25; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.26; 'developers': 0.26; 'in.': 0.27; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.28; 'probably': 0.29; 'install': 0.29; 'waste': 0.30; 'code': 0.31; 'point': 0.31; 'file': 0.32; 'could': 0.32; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.33; 'another': 0.33; 'pm,': 0.35; 'subject:?': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'add': 0.36; 'received:org': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'resources': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'some': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'called': 0.39; 'header:Received:5': 0.40; 'end': 0.40; 'think': 0.40; 'your': 0.60; 'phone,': 0.62; 'between': 0.63; 'more': 0.63; 'dont': 0.64; 'our': 0.65; 'us,': 0.74; 'subject:have': 0.79; 'perspective.': 0.84; 'received:fios.verizon.net': 0.84 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Terry Reedy Subject: Re: Does python have built command for package skeleton creation? Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 00:28:43 -0400 References: <48ed7c38-966a-48d4-97aa-cf3b350ce39b@googlegroups.com> <832435ee-230c-49c2-916c-18e9f807a422@googlegroups.com> <26bebff3-c739-419a-86fb-a957f7a78701@t2g2000pbt.googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-173-75-251-66.phlapa.fios.verizon.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120824 Thunderbird/15.0 In-Reply-To: <26bebff3-c739-419a-86fb-a957f7a78701@t2g2000pbt.googlegroups.com> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 39 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1348460951 news.xs4all.nl 6893 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:48740 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:29892 On 9/23/2012 11:59 PM, alex23 wrote: > On Sep 21, 10:14 pm, xliiv wrote: >> On Friday, September 21, 2012 1:08:23 PM UTC+2, Tarek Ziad=C3=A9 wrote= : >>> Python Paste is probably what you are looking for - see > >> It's a nice beast but: >> - it's not built in. Should it be? I think it should. > > There needs to be a distinction at some point between Python as > runtime and development environments. If you assume that there are > more users of Python code than developers, then cluttering it with > more developer-only tools is a waste of resources for those end users. > > Also: developers are fussy about their environments. One person's vi > is another person's emacs. We keep various package skeletons in our > git repository, and that works well for us, so adding Paste to Python > is just more useless kruft from our perspective. > > And: easy_install/pip install paste isn't exactly crippling to type. > >> - about readme and manifest.in: >> "You could add to your template a file called readme.rst" >> i dont want to add, i want it already added :) > > If you'd just did as they asked, you'd already have this issue > resolved by now. > > If you're waiting for the standard library to scratch your itch for > you, you're going to be waiting for a long, _long_ time. Batteries are batteries, not flashlights, phone, radios, toys, clickers, = etc. --=20 Terry Jan Reedy