Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail From: Chris Angelico Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Subject: Re: def __init__(self): Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 03:04:07 +1000 Lines: 41 Message-ID: References: <34e51ef5-9679-40ec-bc8f-47981353e9d7@googlegroups.com> <571F1361.3010402@digipen.edu> <85eg9sn7qo.fsf@benfinney.id.au> <87lh40pyik.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <571f9362$0$1602$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <1461687967.2507874.590200129.102244C8@webmail.messagingengine.com> <571f9836$0$1619$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de oUeNReZygAmyI4EMkvOi6AUUO+8e+O0L/FGwsYIQFA6Q== Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.002 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'received:209.85.223': 0.03; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.09; '(1,': 0.09; 'immutable': 0.09; 'obj': 0.09; 'def': 0.13; 'suggest': 0.15; 'wed,': 0.15; "'b',": 0.16; '2016': 0.16; '6.0': 0.16; 'ctypes.': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'immutable,': 0.16; 'object()': 0.16; 'reason.': 0.16; 'received:io': 0.16; 'received:psf.io': 0.16; 'subclassing': 0.16; 'subject:def': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; '>>>': 0.20; 'cc:2**0': 0.20; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.20; 'ctypes': 0.22; 'am,': 0.23; 'import': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.24; 'chris': 0.26; 'compatible': 0.27; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.27; 'index,': 0.29; 'class.': 0.30; 'probably': 0.31; 'anybody': 0.32; "d'aprano": 0.33; 'steven': 0.33; 'tue,': 0.34; 'this?': 0.34; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'skip:c 30': 0.35; 'something': 0.35; 'received:209.85': 0.36; '(and': 0.36; 'apple': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'things': 0.38; 'doing': 0.38; 'received:209': 0.38; 'mean': 0.38; 'means': 0.39; '26,': 0.72; 'jul': 0.72; 'obvious': 0.76; '4.2.1': 0.84; 'chrisa': 0.84; 'subject:self': 0.84; 'to:none': 0.91 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc; bh=uHEZYMC3Y9D9Iim37XBJMxMW8gpAv1RPXqwOsVPjNgM=; b=MdacLs+W75V6KSC+qYa1YGZ5ehKqpVyydUPdqNkUsHNfE3uUPU6w50D5/KZu5MaKTl Av+aEo2ROLh20sU5E6ydPkfF43ytF/KjdUwxDcbRmpm1pDtN6apZ4rbyowJOxnZVrElY uuhBshyLB5c7GktflRXv/ErPMXybOKSHs+yovAp2eTFq77JPaatC2W55R+sfcEaaXm+l n7e9EeBHp9Hx5Uh6CBzhMF02PyORVzdNXzBU9lxXTCu3tldGFTFwNcz5fc6mSLUcBp8r FLgsy6NDkFBwd1EO24l+WrKctX+sopWsuNwWqqJo2fSpMep5GD3Xx5hrA0Hkih/Gy0Qx FBPA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:cc; bh=uHEZYMC3Y9D9Iim37XBJMxMW8gpAv1RPXqwOsVPjNgM=; b=S766foerj2O3qXIkVoIiDdPH8UAMDR4ogN1RoWinYEOqzgPszxW5qLyeE4g/aMKAqq J54zx+zREBFSeojZcWmGfS+amess4y6wJuopIbYLZLrY0eNJ6f69ygp0sNWuj5BSn66c aJmbCC7C6eujyAQRZdph7mnu9EHvPfxGt5oyBl+yGkNuwYSoBbzOinl03n8K7SQrQiXk l39ebfHmAIRhTqkJiHDWeLx2AByXPKhoN5L3IX5ihN2sIuwbGiubzC9QEMs+RKmxh1GO isTE7tI/LSI2SPMCC60fRogvbHsULn0PRPPg1scHDzbo/WcNCuXlsvIjkHaCQS3ZhVEI viYQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOPr4FUVz4gmVG2FjAgZxqJSsAUh40SihIhErtOSsWLyt7OZqBkRNeykPlVe5/EhbnF4/tPvbZuqECSdTm3H2w== X-Received: by 10.107.18.232 with SMTP id 101mr4506599ios.157.1461690247704; Tue, 26 Apr 2016 10:04:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Mailman-Original-Message-ID: X-Mailman-Original-References: <34e51ef5-9679-40ec-bc8f-47981353e9d7@googlegroups.com> <571F1361.3010402@digipen.edu> <85eg9sn7qo.fsf@benfinney.id.au> <87lh40pyik.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <571f9362$0$1602$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <1461687967.2507874.590200129.102244C8@webmail.messagingengine.com> <571f9836$0$1619$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:107673 On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 2:59 AM, Chris Kaynor wrote: > On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 9:32 AM, Steven D'Aprano > wrote: > >> Subclassing immutable built-ins is the most obvious and simple (and >> probably >> common) way to get an immutable class. Actually immutable, short of doing >> wicked things with ctypes. >> > > By wicked things with ctypes, do you mean something like this? By no means > do I suggest this actually be used by anybody for any reason. > > Tested with '2.7.10 (default, Jul 14 2015, 19:46:27) \n[GCC 4.2.1 > Compatible Apple LLVM 6.0 (clang-600.0.39)]' > > import ctypes > def changeTuple(tuple, index, newValue): > obj = ctypes.cast(id(tuple), ctypes.POINTER(ctypes.c_long)) > obj[3+index] = id(newValue) > >>>> a = ('a','b','c') >>>> changeTuple(a, 0, 1) >>>> a > (1, 'b', 'c') >>>> changeTuple(a, 1, 3) >>>> a > (1, 3, 'c') Yeah. By the look of things, you've just destroyed the reference counts. >>> a = ('a','b','c') >>> b = object() >>> changeTuple(a, 0, b) >>> a (, 'b', 'c') >>> del b >>> a Segmentation fault ChrisA