Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.dougwise.org!nntpfeed.proxad.net!proxad.net!feeder1-1.proxad.net!feeder.news-service.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed6.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.058 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.88; '*S*': 0.00; 'linux.': 0.09; 'obsolete': 0.09; 'linux': 0.11; 'wrote:': 0.14; 'cuz': 0.16; 'powerpc': 0.16; 'subject: \n ': 0.16; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.17; 'mapping': 0.19; 'yet.': 0.19; 'received:74.125.82.44': 0.19; 'received:mail- ww0-f44.google.com': 0.19; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.21; 'seems': 0.21; "haven't": 0.22; 'cc:2**0': 0.22; 'cc:no real name:2**0': 0.23; 'keys': 0.23; 'there.': 0.25; 'thanks.': 0.27; 'tried': 0.27; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.28; 'lee': 0.29; 'sat,': 0.29; 'subject:?': 0.29; 'good.': 0.29; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.30; '(maybe': 0.30; 'email)': 0.30; '\xe2\x80\x94': 0.30; 'looks': 0.31; 'google': 0.31; 'it.': 0.31; "didn't": 0.31; 'familiar': 0.33; 'actually': 0.33; 'it?': 0.33; 'too': 0.33; 'there': 0.35; 'couple': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.37; 'keyboard': 0.37; 'received:74.125.82': 0.38; 'received:74.125': 0.38; 'url:org': 0.38; 'but': 0.38; 'linked': 0.38; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'some': 0.38; 'add': 0.39; 'allows': 0.40; "couldn't": 0.40; 'your': 0.60; 'social': 0.61; 'here:': 0.62; 'sites': 0.65; 'enjoyed': 0.67; 'header:Reply-To:1': 0.72; 'reply-to:no real name:2**0': 0.72; 'reply-to:addr:gmail.com': 0.79; 'url:php': 0.81; 'hardcore': 0.84; 'subject:Improve': 0.84; 'usb': 0.95 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=8FHXXANgCmEOFBCIgBuzqRnaorlrL+X/Pvja8MoAdi8=; b=eZVhPi74ZD0iHaMezV5EjEr5eH6pAA0H+ZKFl759cO0Ub4fgpCsiKb3t7QmT3oDvNf 1MjRUDI4iWTvPVSeFfjyb9ofzx94jmmrKPau+TJHzvjOIbdNi6SIhtnibeYfgAeIrX2W EjUDQFIARhztl2c4WQhHPOwklqCcLkG0F1xPE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ln7qWjn51Jt//xZT2wxGyswvt9nK4ZVMMPkDzLtxvjFrAXmev0C/Q1OktDyq0O9HwC RsBtVTRBx3x4KDnHl5avUB8GFKVAK4uUEWArTlbpB5F5m3gWiPRQXkdnadimPYH4qpOn ExeTxosPjlv+rWWda/g8gXss7BC6dOLwNhNqM= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <355e201c-437c-4944-9ad0-ae401df02651@22g2000prx.googlegroups.com> <4f4bv6hn40jsgpecuelejc66n7rkhv17fj@4ax.com> <26876242-ffa3-45e3-9ed7-5a40dafb1011@v10g2000yqn.googlegroups.com> <5b94fffc-0bd9-4b0b-98ff-adadc91873ae@h30g2000prf.googlegroups.com> <3c017d1c-ef0e-43b6-a5cb-5db1aca8a2ce@r35g2000prj.googlegroups.com> Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 04:40:45 -0700 Subject: Re: Keyboard Layout: Dvorak vs Colemak: is it Worthwhile to Improve the Dvorak Layout? From: Xah Lee To: Dotan Cohen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: python-list@python.org X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: xahlee@gmail.com List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 32 NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.94.164.166 X-Trace: 1308397247 news.xs4all.nl 49181 [::ffff:82.94.164.166]:49734 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.python:7901 On Jun 18, 4:06=C2=A0am, Dotan Cohen wrote: > On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 01:09, Xah Lee wrote: > > thanks. didn't know about Ducky keyboard. Looks good. Also nice to > > hear your experience about Truly Ergonomic keyboard. > > I like it, see my first-hour review here:http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php= ?title=3DIsland:18154 very nice review! and on geekhack.org too =E2=80=94 the hardcore keyboard m= od site! I enjoyed reading it. > > no actually i don't know how to make normal letter keys as (ctrl, alt) > > modifiers. You'll need a usb hid remapper. (there's a couple for mac > > os x i linked on my site but i couldn't verify cuz am now on a 6 years > > old powerpc with outdated mac os x) For Windows, Microsoft made a > > layout maker. I haven't used it so i don't know if it allows mapping > > letter keys as modifier. Have you tried it? > > I use Kubuntu Linux. i only started to use linux this month, from 10 years hiatus. First thing to do there is remap keys to the way i like of course. But am not familiar on how-to there. Seems xmodmap is becoming obsolete and XKB is in place. There's a couple nice sites about XKB but havn't had a chance to study them yet. May i ask you a few questions down the road? (maybe we can add each other on google talk or some social network) (off to email) Xah