Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed7.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.006 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'json': 0.05; 'subject:skip:c 10': 0.07; 'blocked': 0.09; 'dict': 0.09; 'sqlite': 0.09; 'storage.': 0.09; 'underlying': 0.09; 'python': 0.10; 'encoding': 0.15; 'file,': 0.15; '-tkc': 0.16; '[section]': 0.16; 'file).': 0.16; 'from:addr:python.list': 0.16; 'from:addr:tim.thechases.com': 0.16; 'from:name:tim chase': 0.16; 'incomplete': 0.16; 'ordereddict': 0.16; 'received:10.21': 0.16; 'unordered,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'config': 0.18; 'thoughts': 0.18; 'library': 0.20; 'implicit': 0.22; 'file.': 0.22; '(or': 0.23; 'seems': 0.23; 'second': 0.24; 'xml': 0.24; 'written': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.24; 'module': 0.25; 'appear': 0.26; 'mostly': 0.27; 'least': 0.27; 'attempting': 0.29; 'consumption': 0.29; 'preserve': 0.29; 'character': 0.29; 'handled': 0.29; 'comments': 0.30; 'option': 0.31; 'subject:) ': 0.32; 'options': 0.33; 'gets': 0.35; 'so,': 0.35; 'but': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'lines': 0.36; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'received:10': 0.37; 'being': 0.37; 'files': 0.38; 'data': 0.39; 'format': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'still': 0.40; 'default': 0.61; 'back': 0.62; 'flat': 0.63; 'improved': 0.63; 'more': 0.63; 'better.': 0.66; 'skip:\xe2 10': 0.70; 'wish': 0.71; 'advantages': 0.72; 'power': 0.72; '(is': 0.84; 'commenting': 0.84; 'configparser': 0.84; 'received:23': 0.84; '8bit%:33': 0.91; 'hand,': 0.97 X-Sender-Id: wwwh|x-authuser|tim@thechases.com X-Sender-Id: wwwh|x-authuser|tim@thechases.com X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: wwwh|x-authuser|tim@thechases.com X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: wwwh X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1438549879911:4047241349 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1438549879911 Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 16:11:14 -0500 From: Tim Chase To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: Most Pythonic way to store (small) configuration In-Reply-To: <85k2tdlxbg.fsf@benfinney.id.au> References: <87k2teq9tb.fsf@Equus.decebal.nl> <85k2tdlxbg.fsf@benfinney.id.au> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.11.1 (GTK+ 2.24.25; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-AuthUser: tim@thechases.com X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20+ Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 77 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1438566361 news.xs4all.nl 2827 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:46925 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:94912 On 2015-08-02 21:54, Ben Finney wrote: > So, both XML and JSON should be considered write-only, and produced > only for consumption by a computer; they are a poor choice for > presenting to a human. >=20 > The =E2=80=9CINI=E2=80=9D format as handled by the Python =E2=80=98config= parser=E2=80=99 module is > what I would recommend for a simple flat configuration file. It is > more intuitive to edit, and has a conventional commenting format. I second Ben's thoughts against XML & JSON -- they *can* be edited by hand, but put the onus on the user to make perfect XML/JSON. Config files (".ini") are more forgiving. However, the .ini format (or at least the stdlib implementation in ConfigParser.py) is not without its faults, mostly when you read a file, then write it back out: - comments and blank lines get lost in the process: [section] # set to local configuration location=3Dpath/to/foo will get written out as [section] location=3Dpath/to/foo =20 - the order of options is not preserved: [section] thing=3D1 other=3D2 may get written back out as [section] other=3D2 thing=3D1 though this has improved once ConfigParser started attempting to use an OrderedDict by default for internal storage. - a single key can only appear once in a section: [section] option=3Done option=3Dtwo gets written back out as=20 [section] option=3Dtwo - implicit encoding (is it UTF-8, Latin-1, etc?) When you understand that the underlying internal storage is a dict (ordered or unordered, depending on availability), a lot of the above makes sense. But it still makes me wish for the power of git's config-file format that seems to preserve original config files much better. An additional option is using a sqlite database. The sqlite library is part of the stdlib, and advantages include being a single file, expandability, consistent/reliable character encoding, cross-platform portability, and atomicity (utilities that read/write are blocked from getting/creating incomplete data seen by the other file). -tkc