Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!rt.uk.eu.org!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.003 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'win32': 0.03; 'interpreter': 0.05; 'convention.': 0.07; 'socket': 0.07; 'cc:addr :python-list': 0.11; 'python': 0.11; 'windows': 0.15; '(both': 0.16; 'boundary,': 0.16; 'command-line': 0.16; 'count,': 0.16; 'eof': 0.16; 'fetch': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'mode,': 0.16; 'tcp': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; '(not': 0.18; 'wed,': 0.18; 'all,': 0.19; 'platforms': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'alternate': 0.24; 'example.': 0.24; 'tend': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; "i've": 0.25; 'least': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'chris': 0.29; 'am,': 0.29; 'generally': 0.29; 'tim': 0.29; 'unix': 0.29; "doesn't": 0.30; '(like': 0.30; 'said,': 0.30; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'lines': 0.31; 'another.': 0.31; 'chase': 0.31; 'though.': 0.31; 'file': 0.32; 'noticed': 0.34; 'basic': 0.35; "can't": 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'done': 0.36; 'doing': 0.36; 'turn': 0.37; 'files': 0.38; 'anything': 0.39; 'supporting': 0.39; 'though,': 0.39; 'either': 0.39; 'most': 0.60; 'browser': 0.61; 'box,': 0.64; 'provide': 0.64; 'within': 0.65; 'minutes': 0.67; 'expectations': 0.74; 'jul': 0.74; '(standard': 0.84; 'passive': 0.91; 'to:none': 0.92 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=vr/TchkQNjxlNSHdgObUNkPrrVh2IMX7S2p8wKDTKXw=; b=zsigebkSiwCjucJY9zfR6HrUzytI0OJTlAD0ubQ13bEBPoWrCe3XW36/iazqioPEMm IinJd3ZJPU0pj7ixi373k9Iz1/yLx4iN0zdb3dDiy1VDZY73LWisWMMqFSZCLhMNLgWY M+FK4LkjWMxqqkuLFqD5XhKhGL6zFgOtJXWtFoF+TYzTDUZG0rMthMm0DJQyLj8XlG5b RsdJhJ/bQxUHVxCZEiOkHNqDb//AX1HgNB6CPbTQO6bVbFoElsiFuByYOwdCK+rDgfqz GvOvclCC/43RSQYq9SBA10i+pnmtMsViwYIbASgcR82efRO2YGbW24SdmlAQMPQEpNp2 TMvA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.13.98 with SMTP id g2mr1359747vdc.46.1404838231621; Tue, 08 Jul 2014 09:50:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20140708114003.1ca872fb@bigbox.christie.dr> References: <53ba11fc$0$29985$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <53ba538d$0$2926$c3e8da3$76491128@news.astraweb.com> <20140708102033.13efb3a4@bigbox.christie.dr> <20140708114003.1ca872fb@bigbox.christie.dr> Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2014 02:50:31 +1000 Subject: Re: open() and EOFError From: Chris Angelico Cc: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1404838233 news.xs4all.nl 2835 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:55322 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:74185 On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 2:40 AM, Tim Chase wrote: > On 2014-07-09 01:24, Chris Angelico wrote: >> I can't think of any Windows-native programs that ask for EOF. Only >> those which came from POSIX platforms do it. That said, though, >> Windows doesn't tend to encourage interactive command-line programs >> at all, so you may as well just follow the Unix convention. > > And within the last 10 minutes doing some work on a Win32 box, I > noticed that both the "wmic" console (standard since at least XP I > believe) and Python use EOF to quit (both provide alternate methods of > quitting, but EOF is fast & easy). > Python doesn't count, as it's cross-platform; lots of programs work the same way on all their platforms, and it doesn't say anything about the expectations of native Windows apps. But wmic, that's a better example. Counter-example: Command-line FTP on Windows doesn't react to Ctrl-Z, which annoys me somewhat when I move from one to another. (Not as much as it annoys me by not supporting passive mode, though. I generally have to turn to a web browser to do basic FTP downloads across a VM boundary, and for uploads, I either have to go fetch a better FTP client (like FileZilla), or - as I've often done - whip up a few lines of basic TCP socket file transfer, because I can do that at an interactive interpreter faster than most people can move files any other way.) hrisA