Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!ecngs!feeder2.ecngs.de!novso.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.108 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.78; '*S*': 0.00; 'url:pypi': 0.03; '(even': 0.05; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'detect': 0.07; 'disclosure:': 0.09; 'function,': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'advertisers,': 0.16; 'advertising.': 0.16; 'dumb.': 0.16; 'forbid': 0.16; 'guessing': 0.16; 'mildly': 0.16; 'nearest': 0.16; 'pypi.': 0.16; 'roy': 0.16; 'subject: \n ': 0.16; 'surprising': 0.16; 'ignore': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'thu,': 0.19; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'certainly': 0.24; 'subject:community': 0.24; '\xa0if': 0.24; '\xa0so': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; '>': 0.26; 'certain': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'am,': 0.29; 'message- id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; 'url:mailman': 0.30; 'that.': 0.31; 'names.': 0.31; 'with,': 0.31; 'url:python': 0.33; 'charge': 0.33; 'guess': 0.33; 'subject:the': 0.34; 'anywhere': 0.35; 'knows': 0.35; 'something': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'url:listinfo': 0.36; 'subject:?': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'list': 0.37; 'being': 0.38; 'sometimes': 0.38; 'bringing': 0.38; 'on-line': 0.38; 'does': 0.39; 'sure': 0.39; 'url:mail': 0.40; 'skip:u 10': 0.60; 'company': 0.60; 'everybody': 0.60; 'full': 0.61; 'no.': 0.61; 'world.': 0.61; "you're": 0.61; 'information': 0.63; 'name': 0.63; 'real': 0.63; 'our': 0.64; 'provide': 0.64; 'more': 0.64; 'different': 0.65; 'selling': 0.65; 'charset:windows-1252': 0.65; 'worth': 0.66; 'url:0': 0.67; 'smith': 0.68; 'money': 0.72; 'advertising': 0.74; 'other.': 0.75; 'attention': 0.75; 'article': 0.77; 'mentality': 0.84; 'stronger': 0.84; 'sue': 0.84; '\xa0but': 0.84; 'commerce': 0.91; 'gender': 0.91; 'to:none': 0.92; 'woman': 0.96; '2013': 0.98 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=wIa6tqANXNSc5Ly7vow2tdZiGIuYe76WgWtOLHPxZMI=; b=k6/5d7UUb1TctX5WdtbWtPaM9iRx1i7AgFFNjEBiyLe6f8bLvM3A/X+clOO3MNygtE 7lUg1Fa2OWqUB6Iqpiohct4N53Cbl0zN9YGdk+E9PhFs7acFIXnLbUXPsZV08XAlNp4Y IFgXYOL9f+/K4QaMYWATxdo0X/c3uUgXuig9wWrUCa0rrNr5bmTdLWDpz59ubf4ammXs 0Q5aGGWyLIJQTwzFnfvgnVOCAtW9vANfGn570Vr43f6Vl4EsQ2gZcN/22nulHnUDUwoA j/32JtRuxBVE0DSJyXIJwL/EYkST3XcZ1Ab1efk4mK34j+FyT++RKypeAlwBtii0Pt2A 4GZQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.50.225 with SMTP id f1mr6794050igo.2.1382020703049; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 07:38:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <2013101623133337485-owenjacobson@grimoireca> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 10:38:22 -0400 Subject: Re: Sexism in the Ruby community: how does the Python community manage it? From: Danyelle Davis Cc: python Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bdc1172142b3f04e8f0c54b X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 114 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1382020706 news.xs4all.nl 15960 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:37904 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:56962 --047d7bdc1172142b3f04e8f0c54b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am a woman and all I can say to these things is.. Bringing light to these things do nothing but give attention to the attention seeking.. yea the names are dumb. But does it ever stop me. No. Mainly because ignore the college/boyish mentality that is associated with names like that. On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Roy Smith wrote: > In article <2013101623133337485-owenjacobson@grimoireca>, > Owen Jacobson wrote: > > > * SexMachine (https://pypi.python.org/pypi/SexMachine/0.1.1 - an > > attempt to detect the gender of names, which=85 well, ask the nearest b= oy > > named Sue - or girl named Leslie) > > I'm not sure what you're objecting to here. Is it the name, or the > functionality? > > As for the name, I guess different people have different reactions, but > I (as a male) find this only mildly offensive. I can see why some > people might have a stronger reaction to it. Perhaps not the best name > one might have come up with, but certainly not anywhere near the list > you cited. I would not have picked the name myself, but I also would > not want to see us go so far as to forbid something with that name from > being listed on pypi. > > As for the function, guessing gender from names is important in the > advertising world. Everybody knows that some names are ambiguous. And > that sometimes names that you would think of as unambiguously associated > with a particular gender are used by the other. And a zillion other > ways the guess can be wrong. > > Still, it's worth real money in on-line commerce and advertising to know > (even with a certain degree of uncertainty) somebody's gender. So it's > not surprising people are writing tools to guess that from names. Nor > do I think it's inappropriate. > > Full disclosure: I work for a company which makes money selling on-line > advertising. If we can provide accurate gender information to our > advertisers, we can charge them more per impression. > > -- > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list > > --047d7bdc1172142b3f04e8f0c54b Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am a woman and all I can say to these things is.. Bringi= ng light to these things do nothing but give attention to the attention see= king.. yea the names are dumb. =A0But does it ever stop me. No. =A0Mainly b= ecause ignore the college/boyish mentality that is associated with names li= ke that.=A0


On Thu, Oct 1= 7, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> wrote:
In article <2013101623133337485-owenjacobson@grimoireca>,
=A0Owen Jacobson <owen.jacobson@grimoire.ca> wrote:

> * SexMachine (https://pypi.python.org/pypi/SexMachine/0.1.1 - an<= br> > attempt to detect the gender of names, which=85 well, ask the nearest = boy
> named Sue - or girl named Leslie)

I'm not sure what you're objecting to here. =A0Is it the name= , or the
functionality?

As for the name, I guess different people have different reactions, but
I (as a male) find this only mildly offensive. =A0I can see why some
people might have a stronger reaction to it. =A0Perhaps not the best name one might have come up with, but certainly not anywhere near the list
you cited. =A0I would not have picked the name myself, but I also would
not want to see us go so far as to forbid something with that name from
being listed on pypi.

As for the function, guessing gender from names is important in the
advertising world. =A0Everybody knows that some names are ambiguous. =A0And=
that sometimes names that you would think of as unambiguously associated with a particular gender are used by the other. =A0And a zillion other
ways the guess can be wrong.

Still, it's worth real money in on-line commerce and advertising to kno= w
(even with a certain degree of uncertainty) somebody's gender. =A0So it= 's
not surprising people are writing tools to guess that from names. =A0Nor do I think it's inappropriate.

Full disclosure: I work for a company which makes money selling on-line
advertising. =A0If we can provide accurate gender information to our
advertisers, we can charge them more per impression.

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