Path: csiph.com!news.freedyn.net!newsreader4.netcologne.de!news.netcologne.de!newsfeed0.kamp.net!newsfeed.kamp.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail From: Chris Kaynor Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Subject: Re: def __init__(self): Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 09:59:39 -0700 Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <34e51ef5-9679-40ec-bc8f-47981353e9d7@googlegroups.com> <571F1361.3010402@digipen.edu> <85eg9sn7qo.fsf@benfinney.id.au> <87lh40pyik.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <571f9362$0$1602$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <1461687967.2507874.590200129.102244C8@webmail.messagingengine.com> <571f9836$0$1619$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de Z7ubT2U9cdHk3tL1rFzyqgJCGKhYZEKHYVBqK6YFeu/A== Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.005 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; '(1,': 0.09; 'immutable': 0.09; 'obj': 0.09; 'def': 0.13; 'suggest': 0.15; '>>>': 0.15; "'b',": 0.16; '2016': 0.16; '6.0': 0.16; 'ctypes.': 0.16; 'immutable,': 0.16; 'reason.': 0.16; 'received:209.85.161.174': 0.16; 'received:io': 0.16; 'received:psf.io': 0.16; 'subclassing': 0.16; 'subject:def': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; '>>>': 0.20; 'to:name :python-list@python.org': 0.20; 'ctypes': 0.22; 'am,': 0.23; 'import': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.24; 'chris': 0.26; 'compatible': 0.27; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.27; 'index,': 0.29; 'class.': 0.30; 'probably': 0.31; 'anybody': 0.32; "d'aprano": 0.33; 'steven': 0.33; 'tue,': 0.34; 'this?': 0.34; 'skip:& 20': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'skip:c 30': 0.35; 'something': 0.35; 'received:209.85': 0.36; '(and': 0.36; 'apple': 0.36; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'things': 0.38; 'doing': 0.38; 'received:209': 0.38; 'mean': 0.38; 'means': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; '26,': 0.72; 'jul': 0.72; 'obvious': 0.76; '4.2.1': 0.84; 'subject:self': 0.84 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=zindagigames-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=j6qEGVky9y8vo403waDYAGdDJOfePsRX5kqMZhBtSc0=; b=fehwMac5D21OUieeYHhyZrx0rs7wG9k2Sulv0G1ODkj5FtaK18ZaDBKPJJLgYVm2NW 4sC5zqoAi57AC9On1ISks79h6antykwjVSYjHQVwkEyLdadyaDtuG1lsgDgm2HxRd/h2 i8YJeU5p1FyAoPZXpmz9LpVF3A0rx098KgTs+h0AO1rCqhsbuYWfcMO1DcfmIxkDyqyR 0E2SICZL85RRXstlwhgnceT+6ObOKQwmsj/TMF74i/Cmmd26ei/1utOWBXzIRXfcJE1r p2I5N+RiT4X3JFkbqxDC4dnTUTtZgk271TXGf8vdRYyy1zGjjkhoNfDWQkswYXAL6Jhg bNZQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=j6qEGVky9y8vo403waDYAGdDJOfePsRX5kqMZhBtSc0=; b=jLcckzkKlTyZ+LKIvQMMQNwzwdODY+T5T7pA0PGvINwRsZRd61wVbsFsW4bH+KXDxy 3Yl8y5XMrbKqbSj6LCiQ0wxtDKV00j9wv6UNImIB+XL/ZX8LFnrC8WZSKtsxWKrZ4IO8 incdDnCxQVLcE0+K1J79yq+V/wRSfF6xv5MgCkLCjeF0VXzBKQuHTJmpJCAvTfW789sv 2cxYjzQETwnSUjHEnmeySve4uUTL/qJXZqk9S/Vu64AdnwtrN9dXhkJ4YOf14DsuuB2o lF+IZCPFdlmRGMl6Z6AXIxvLsa5ywBA71L1V4cMx2OIFFfd7CSIaXtHqAFGt71WG6dIS J7hA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOPr4FXpBZXf8+mFgpGozTmQwgtVLhYIqxHm8AUzocFEg2uvkD2ivmdWGd9CjPyEJ2zPWZtjQCPCXYkyyIDmDg== X-Received: by 10.176.7.35 with SMTP id h32mr1810942uah.17.1461689998829; Tue, 26 Apr 2016 09:59:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <571f9836$0$1619$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.22 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Mailman-Original-Message-ID: X-Mailman-Original-References: <34e51ef5-9679-40ec-bc8f-47981353e9d7@googlegroups.com> <571F1361.3010402@digipen.edu> <85eg9sn7qo.fsf@benfinney.id.au> <87lh40pyik.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <571f9362$0$1602$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <1461687967.2507874.590200129.102244C8@webmail.messagingengine.com> <571f9836$0$1619$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:107671 On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 9:32 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > Subclassing immutable built-ins is the most obvious and simple (and > probably > common) way to get an immutable class. Actually immutable, short of doing > wicked things with ctypes. > By wicked things with ctypes, do you mean something like this? By no means do I suggest this actually be used by anybody for any reason. Tested with '2.7.10 (default, Jul 14 2015, 19:46:27) \n[GCC 4.2.1 Compatible Apple LLVM 6.0 (clang-600.0.39)]' import ctypes def changeTuple(tuple, index, newValue): obj = ctypes.cast(id(tuple), ctypes.POINTER(ctypes.c_long)) obj[3+index] = id(newValue) >>> a = ('a','b','c') >>> changeTuple(a, 0, 1) >>> a (1, 'b', 'c') >>> changeTuple(a, 1, 3) >>> a (1, 3, 'c') Chris